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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

I loved coaching. It gave me information about my students, and the students of other teachers, that I could use to good affect in my classroom. I enjoyed seeing my students as athletes. I loved watching them interact with each other, form friendships, develop teamwork and team goals. I worked with them to enjoy victory and to learn from defeat.

But I also saw what sports took from education. It began with distorting the purpose of physical education. Instead of teaching life long skills to ALL students, it took a handful of students and gave them a superb education in one or two sports. It stole time from academics for pep rallies and team travel time. It stole money from the general fund to buy uniforms, equipment, coaches, and support staff. It taught several generations of poor kids, especially black kids, that athletics were more important than academics. It created scouting and recruiting of athletes from one school to another, from one school district to another. It has now created schools whose sole purpose is developing athletes in two or three sports.

Then there's the coach/teacher aspect. I know a few teachers who were able to teach as effectively in season as out. I know more whose devotion was never to their subject, but to their sport. The Ohio State Board of Education knew this as early as the 1950s when they recommended that the history minor be dropped because too many coaches were teaching social studies and the results were telling in the the results of proficiency tests and SATs. (Of all Ohio colleges, only Ohio State followed this guideline.) Woody Hayes recognized this problem in his coaching course by including a ten-question current events quiz every Friday along with a ten-question quiz over the material he had taught. When asked why, he stated, "Because in a few years most of you are going to be standing in front of a classroom full of kids and I don't want them thinking that the only thing you know is football."

When we celebrate our schools, it's for sports, not academics, for football, not music, for basketball not art, for scholarships not scholarship. We are ignoring the development of teachers, engineers, medical personnel, writers and artists. We are giving money in the form of entrance to schools and scholarships based on physical skills.

I sense that there has also been a greater separation/isolation of jocks from the student body. I went to class with All-Americans and lesser jocks. They took the same tests and were held to the same academic requirements. I wonder if that is true today. I wonder if it's even possible for the vast majority of scholarship athletes to be part of a normal student life. The time demands for practice, games, and media events have increased greatly. The time left for academics has to be the loser with more classes taken on-line, more "non-fail" courses developed to replace the established curriculum. Major programs designed to keep the athlete eligible as opposed to finding a career path.

Now comes NIL and the portal and if you can see this as anything less than the professionalization of "collegiate sports" you're way ahead of me.

As much as I have loved Ohio State football, I'm fast approaching a dilemma; can I continue to ignore what has happened to the ideal of "student athlete?" It's not the fault of the athletes. It's the fault of our education system, our institutions, and folks like me to continue to insist on bread and circuses while greater needs are ignored.

It's time to say:

1. The purpose of colleges is to educate, not create professional athletes.
2. Let MLB, NBA, and the NFL pay for the development of athletes.
3. Get sports out of ALL schools, K - 12.
4. Local clubs, associations such as the AAU will emerge on their own. Cities, towns, and villages can put sports into their parks and recreation budgets.
5. Let's stop prostituting education for the good of a handful of kids and make it about reaching more of our youth.
The death of local, rec./little leagues has been saddening.

Parents are shelling out thousands of dollars for their children to join travel teams that encourage many to do that one sport year-round.

As Bob Todd once told us at an OSU baseball camp, “If you’re good, we’ll find you.”

I see a parent revolt away from travel and back to rec. in the next 5-10 years if any rec. leagues still exist.
 
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The death of local, rec./little leagues has been saddening.

Parents are shelling out thousands of dollars for their children to join travel teams that encourage many to do that one sport year-round.

As Bob Todd once told us at an OSU baseball camp, “If you’re good, we’ll find you.”

I see a parent revolt away from travel and back to rec. in the next 5-10 years if any rec. leagues still exist.
I'm sad watching the local baseball feels being torn up and left with grass just to have a bunch of toddlers who can't even kick a ball successfully yet run around and pretend to play soccer. But that's different issue all together...
 
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The death of local, rec./little leagues has been saddening.

Parents are shelling out thousands of dollars for their children to join travel teams that encourage many to do that one sport year-round.

As Bob Todd once told us at an OSU baseball camp, “If you’re good, we’ll find you.”

I see a parent revolt away from travel and back to rec. in the next 5-10 years if any rec. leagues still exist.
Around here we’ve lost so many of the coaches who put these leagues together. We are short of adults to do coaching officiating concessions grounds keeping. Soccer is bigger but it’s run through the YMCA where there is paid Administration and referees. We used to have 6 American Legion Baseball teams in the county now we have two between two counties and they have to travel hours for games.
 
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Around here we’ve lost so many of the coaches who put these leagues together. We are short of adults to do coaching officiating concessions grounds keeping. Soccer is bigger but it’s run through the YMCA where there is paid Administration and referees. We used to have 6 American Legion Baseball teams in the county now we have two between two counties and they have to travel hours for games.
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The death of local, rec./little leagues has been saddening.


Regional integrity at the high school level has been dead for 10+ years, collegiate football is not far behind. I mentioned this before, but my high school alma mater broke away from our athletic conference which included most of the schools in the county. To my knowledge, we were the first. I hated the idea then for my own various reasons, and having family in the school system(s) also gave me some insight to theirs as well. I'm STILL bitter about having to be conference co-champs from my senior season when we lost that game.

Fast forward to 2022, they're busing these kids 2 hours for a conference game when we used to have our rival 20 minutes away. Now we don't even play them, and the next closest team is considered 'out of conference'. These kids grow up in the same area(s), they work at the same places (for those that do) they shop at the same spots, the natural rivalry develops but it has been forgone completely. Keep in mind, that means more tax dollars for the logistics of busing these kids farther and farther. That also means families who would go out to eat or spend money in the community/county now spend it out of community and out of county. So we're spending more to transport and losing money in local business all in the name of 'competitive development'.

Fuck every last bit of that noise.

I equate NIL to the crypto market two years ago and the Crypto market now is what NIL will look like in 2 years or less.

Outside of the blockchain, there is actual labor between the product playing on the field and 'celebrity' appearances being done by these kids. So there's a tangible service being provided here. That's why I think your NIL = crypto falls a bit short.

Unless you're saying that NIL = Crypto in terms of the lack of oversight and regulation. And that I can see the parallel with.
 
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Regional integrity at the high school level has been dead for 10+ years, collegiate football is not far behind. I mentioned this before, but my high school alma mater broke away from our athletic conference which included most of the schools in the county. To my knowledge, we were the first. I hated the idea then for my own various reasons, and having family in the school system(s) also gave me some insight to theirs as well. I'm STILL bitter about having to be conference co-champs from my senior season when we lost that game.

Fast forward to 2022, they're busing these kids 2 hours for a conference game when we used to have our rival 20 minutes away. Now we don't even play them, and the next closest team is considered 'out of conference'. These kids grow up in the same area(s), they work at the same places (for those that do) they shop at the same spots, the natural rivalry develops but it has been forgone completely. Keep in mind, that means more tax dollars for the logistics of busing these kids farther and farther. That also means families who would go out to eat or spend money in the community/county now spend it out of community and out of county. So we're spending more to transport and losing money in local business all in the name of 'competitive development'.

Fuck every last bit of that noise.
The AAU(bball) 7 on 7(football) circuit and private coaches have deteriorated youth sports, from peewee to HS. The best players in basketball now, some don't even play for their HS teams and play a travel AAU schedule instead. Honestly I had heard about this happening some almost 20yrs ago with soccer, golf and tennis, but no one really pays attention to those sports(and there's a deeper discussion in to why those sports got passes, but that's another topic ENTIRELY). And not only has AAU and 7 on 7 become so big, but the best players don't even play for local teams anymore. I didn't have 7 on 7 or AAU, we just played for our HS, but when it started to take off, you played for your local team and took pride. But I remember talking to a guy who started to hit the AAU boom in Cincy in the mid 2000s, and he was a very good player for a local public school, and got recruited to play AAU for a team out of Detroit. He would just show up to the airport, a ticket would be waiting and he flew to wherever their tournament was. Crazy to think! Child athletes have been treated like mercenaries for most of their lives at this point if they're any good. That's why when you watch pro sports, or even CFB, the rivalry's aren't looked at the same, because players know the guys they're playing against and have been friends since Middle school, by playing on circuits. And with cell phones and social media, you can keep up with your friends easier, and choose to play where they are and create your own best teams. Heck, the fact that Dylan Raiola is from AZ and was the QB for the SFE in several tournaments says a lot! And with IMG, you have almost a college experience before actually being in college(in the vein of a real S&C program, dietician, strict curfew, and even stricter schedule)
 
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Another new-ish trend, at least in baseball, is the gap year programs.

Basically lets the kid take a year between HS and enrolling in college without burning a year of eligibility. Like most things, it's a good idea for late bloomers (which the COVID lockdown classes are full of) but a lot of it will just be parents throwing money it something to chase the dream for a kid who really isn't a next level kind of athlete.
 
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Another new-ish trend, at least in baseball, is the gap year programs.

Basically lets the kid take a year between HS and enrolling in college without burning a year of eligibility. Like most things, it's a good idea for late bloomers (which the COVID lockdown classes are full of) but a lot of it will just be parents throwing money it something to chase the dream for a kid who really isn't a next level kind of athlete.
Isn't that similar to kids in basketball heading to prep schools in the NE after HS? I had a buddy who went to the Tilton school in NH, and he said it was insane to see so many guys who were 6'8- 7'0(Nerlens Noel who ended up at UK and then was a 1st round pick went there, as did other 5stars in bball like: Wayne Selden and Alex Oriakhi).
Also, haven't parents for decades chose to hold kids back in grade school if they thought they could mature in sports?
 
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Isn't that similar to kids in basketball heading to prep schools in the NE after HS? I had a buddy who went to the Tilton school in NH, and he said it was insane to see so many guys who were 6'8- 7'0(Nerlens Noel who ended up at UK and then was a 1st round pick went there, as did other 5stars in bball like: Wayne Selden and Alex Oriakhi).
Also, haven't parents for decades chose to hold kids back in grade school if they thought they could mature in sports?

Yeah, same basic thing. Seems like a much better option than holding a kid back a year because they get to go away, work on their sport full time and also get some academic work in but can't be enrolled Ft anywhere.
 
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Travel teams and junior teams are huge in youth hockey. Parents pay a lot of cash to outfit and send their kids to play on theses teams. My daughter had a couple of kids “attend” her high school that played for a local junior team.
 
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To me, the point is that universities are educational institutions. Less than 2% of college athletes will ever play in a professional league. This notion that a high school kid is getting his just due through an NIL contract simply does not seem to fit for me.

The kids get screwed. Kids that should be learning a lifelong profession are getting paid far too much to do far too little. They leave typically without a useful degree. They also fail to learn important life lessons, in my opinion. For instance, those getting large NIL contracts seem to be showing little loyalty to their college teams. How firm thy friendship?

NIL donors are getting screwed. The measurement of returns on advertising spends are quite advanced these days. The folks supporting Ewers certainly will not be thinking they got their money's value from that NIL contract. Even those who want to support Ohio State football will find themselves trying to justify those spends to boards of directors and shareholders. Perhaps I am wrong, but the marketing professor and company director in me says that those are likely to be some pretty ugly conversations.

Universities and greater society are losing out big time. All but a handful of athletic departments run at a loss. Universities are already under pressure to cap fees. How may donor conversations will end in the words, "...but we already gave you R200k for that Jones kid on the football team, so we're not going to be able to do any more until next year." How many scientific advances that would help greater society will we lose and how many world-class scientists will move overseas when such silliness impacts on funding for research?

I am a committed fan of Ohio State sports for more than 60 years. However, I believe that a day is soon coming when donors and universities are going to begin resisting NIL deals strongly. When that day comes, and perhaps before, the irreparable harm being done to college football will be apparent for all to see. And we will all mourn the loss of something we love.
 
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The kids get screwed. Kids that should be learning a lifelong profession are getting paid far too much to do far too little. They leave typically without a useful degree. They also fail to learn important life lessons, in my opinion. For instance, those getting large NIL contracts seem to be showing little loyalty to their college teams. How firm thy friendship?

Yeah, come play for us, make us millions, get hurt still get the shit degree and learn valuable lessons but mostly we'll keep all the money.

"You should be happy to get a deal like this. Trust me. I'm older and know what's best for you kid."

:lol:

some lessons to be learned indeed
 
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To me, the point is that universities are educational institutions. Less than 2% of college athletes will ever play in a professional league. This notion that a high school kid is getting his just due through an NIL contract simply does not seem to fit for me.

The kids get screwed. Kids that should be learning a lifelong profession are getting paid far too much to do far too little. They leave typically without a useful degree. They also fail to learn important life lessons, in my opinion. For instance, those getting large NIL contracts seem to be showing little loyalty to their college teams. How firm thy friendship?

NIL donors are getting screwed. The measurement of returns on advertising spends are quite advanced these days. The folks supporting Ewers certainly will not be thinking they got their money's value from that NIL contract. Even those who want to support Ohio State football will find themselves trying to justify those spends to boards of directors and shareholders. Perhaps I am wrong, but the marketing professor and company director in me says that those are likely to be some pretty ugly conversations.

Universities and greater society are losing out big time. All but a handful of athletic departments run at a loss. Universities are already under pressure to cap fees. How may donor conversations will end in the words, "...but we already gave you R200k for that Jones kid on the football team, so we're not going to be able to do any more until next year." How many scientific advances that would help greater society will we lose and how many world-class scientists will move overseas, when such silliness does not occur.

I am a committed fan of Ohio State sports for more than 60 years. However, I believe that a day is soon coming when donors and universities are going to begin resisting NIL deals strongly. When that day comes, and perhaps before, the irreparable harm being done to college football will be apparent for all to see. And we will all mourn the loss of something we love.
Well said.
 
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I'm not getting the 'make us millions" for the universities...
not like they have a P&L and distribute profit as bonuses to administrators and coaches...

If the schools don't make money from football... the only sports that remain as university teams are football and basketball
everything else becomes club teams... and travel is done...
 
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