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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

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I mentioned something like this somewhere in the tangle of arguments for and against NIL. Ohio State is absolutely going to tell kids Fuck NO more often than not about trying to get up front NIL money and I love it. Will we miss some sure fire players, likely, but if the coaches we hire are truly the one's we want and need in Columbus, the guys we do get will want to be here and they'll get coached up better than their peers. That sells itself.

Not to mention, we are going to absolutely get money going to these guys they just wont get it before they get here in the outlandish terms that we're hearing.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I mentioned something like this somewhere in the tangle of arguments for and against NIL. Ohio State is absolutely going to tell kids Fuck NO more often than not about trying to get up front NIL money and I love it. Will we miss some sure fire players, likely, but if the coaches we hire are truly the one's we want and need in Columbus, the guys we do get will want to be here and they'll get coached up better than their peers. That sells itself.

Not to mention, we are going to absolutely get money going to these guys they just wont get it before they get here in the outlandish terms that we're hearing.
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I’m back and forth on their methods. But it seems to still produce a winning product on the field, and that’s all that matters. But, there’s few sure fire players, and 1 of them will make little difference in football. Basketball is a different story, but 1 or 2 5stars added to a roster only do so much
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I mentioned something like this somewhere in the tangle of arguments for and against NIL. Ohio State is absolutely going to tell kids Fuck NO more often than not about trying to get up front NIL money and I love it. Will we miss some sure fire players, likely, but if the coaches we hire are truly the one's we want and need in Columbus, the guys we do get will want to be here and they'll get coached up better than their peers. That sells itself.

Not to mention, we are going to absolutely get money going to these guys they just wont get it before they get here in the outlandish terms that we're hearing.
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Serious question: Do we know for sure that this is happening? I mean beyond what somebody posts on their twitter feed or what recruits are saying about other schools offering them money?
 
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shetuck said:
Serious question: Do we know for sure that this is happening? I mean beyond what somebody posts on their twitter feed or what recruits are saying about other schools offering them money?
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It seems to be coming from the Big Media types that Ohio state Georgia and Alabama aren't playing that game.

The idea is seems to be those teams would rather get a known quantity in the transfer portal and offer them NIL then pay upfront for a kid fresh out of highschool who has proven nothing at the college level. Now I if I had to guess those teams weren't not paying anything up front but we're much more restrained with their offers then the Miami's and Texas A&M's of the world
 
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dragurd said:
It seems to be coming from the Big Media types that Ohio state Georgia and Alabama aren't playing that game.

The idea is seems to be those teams would rather get a known quantity in the transfer portal and offer them NIL then pay upfront for a kid fresh out of highschool who has proven nothing at the college level. Now I if I had to guess those teams weren't not paying anything up front but we're much more restrained with their offers then the Miami's and Texas A&M's of the world
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Okay, fine.

But... do we actually have hopes and aspirations of getting on the same footing as the aTm's and Miami's of the world?
Do we suddenly think that "Big Media" is on OSU's side (or in their pocket)?
I'm not flaming you @dragurd . I know you were just hypothesizing.

"Never wrestle with a pig..."
 
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shetuck said:
Okay, fine.

But... do we actually have hopes and aspirations of getting on the same footing as the aTm's and Miami's of the world?
Do we suddenly think that "Big Media" is on OSU's side (or in their pocket)?
I'm not flaming you @dragurd . I know you were just hypothesizing.

"Never wrestle with a pig..."
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I would say what I always say about change. Change for the sake of change is nonsense but change with a positive purpose is worth making.
At this point the best don't have to use tricks to get the job done so why change? A&M is the poster child now and forever for how it can all go bad in a blink right? Slowly adapting for tOSUs and Bamas of the world is the way to go until any of these other teams prove that they'll beat us with any of these recruits that they are paying. Kids willing to work for their supper are ones you can count on when the going gets tough.
 
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shetuck said:
Okay, fine.

But... do we actually have hopes and aspirations of getting on the same footing as the aTm's and Miami's of the world?
Do we suddenly think that "Big Media" is on OSU's side (or in their pocket)?
I'm not flaming you @dragurd . I know you were just hypothesizing.

"Never wrestle with a pig..."
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Lol I know no worries. And yeah I doubt the big boys want to ever be paying at that level. They will if they have to buy they'd much rather go you want x money up front or you want development x in NIL later and to compete for championships?
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I mentioned something like this somewhere in the tangle of arguments for and against NIL. Ohio State is absolutely going to tell kids Fuck NO more often than not about trying to get up front NIL money and I love it. Will we miss some sure fire players, likely, but if the coaches we hire are truly the one's we want and need in Columbus, the guys we do get will want to be here and they'll get coached up better than their peers. That sells itself.

Not to mention, we are going to absolutely get money going to these guys they just wont get it before they get here in the outlandish terms that we're hearing.
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3rd time I’ve dropped this and it seems to be roundly ignored in the conversation:

“While Ohio state law prohibits directly offering NIL payments to recruits, collectives can have conversations with recruits about the deals that could be available to them once they arrive at Ohio State.”

I’d be curious if other States have this type of law and if other Universities have to play on the same level.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
3rd time I’ve dropped this and it seems to be roundly ignored in the conversation:

“While Ohio state law prohibits directly offering NIL payments to recruits, collectives can have conversations with recruits about the deals that could be available to them once they arrive at Ohio State.”

I’d be curious if other States have this type of law and if other Universities have to play on the same level.
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I believe the other states are operating under these rules, and that's why you're seeing so many collectives pop up at different schools. But the difference is, the other schools' collectives are offering money up front, and OSU is not. OSU(the school) is showing how they can provide NIL deals once they sign as Buckeyes and perform, whereas, say aTm or Miami is saying you get X amount just for signing. I haven't seen any message board rumors from any other base saying the schools are directly paying recruits
 
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Which org is the supposed head of and enforcer of NIL deals?

If such an entity exists.. is there ONE instance in which they have intervened, rejected or enforced an out of bounds action (assuming one exists)?
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
Which org is the supposed head of and enforcer of NIL deals?

If such an entity exists.. is there ONE instance in which they have intervened, rejected or enforced an out of bounds action (assuming one exists)?
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No such entity exists and there are no instances of a non existent enforcement agency doing enforcement things.
 
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It is easy to accuse the NCAA and powers that be of being incompetent through all this. But maybe they did think it through.

I was, and am, one of those who believed the kids had value and should be compensated. Schools were making millions. Coaches were making millions. And the kids were clearly being exploited.

The BIG just signed a billion dollar tv deal.

Now with NIL these kids are raking in millions themselves, from all corners in an uncontrolled free for all.

An entirely new funding source (other than the infinitely smaller under the table cheating that has always gone on) has been created out of thin air.

And not one dime comes out of that billion.

It's a mess. But it is pretty much a free market mess.
 
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I admit I am a traditionalist. So I never saw getting a free education and an opportunity to develop and ahowcase your skills for the NFL as exploitation.

But now that we are in this position, the NCAA must get a handle on the NIL issue. When the University is asking individuals to donate to paying pyers, we are beyond NIL. Using a players name, image and likeness for advertising is within the spirit of the intended rules. Paying players with individuals' money, is in no way getting compensated for NIL. It is plain and simple paying to play.

A recruit should get compensated once their NIL becomes valuable and then by advertisers. We should see the player's NIL being used for the money received.

The one potential positive for NIL could be that the money being contingent on participating on the field. A player that roots out of a bowl should lose some of their NIL money, because their on field exposure is what brings value to the NIL.
 
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