Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

[gmen6981]

This system is what you get when you don't actually take the reality of the situation into account and let the courts force it on you.

If you would would have built one yourself 10-20 years ago you probably could have still had guardrails but no you were dragged in kicking and screaming.

Yep. The NCAA created this monster by burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the situation. I don't know how this can be brought under control now short of Congressional intervention or some other form of outside control.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Yep. The NCAA created this monster by burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the situation. I don't know how this can be brought under control now short of Congressional intervention or some other form of outside control.

there’s a reason they appointed a former Governor

 

[Captain Buckeye]

This system is what you get when you don't actually take the reality of the situation into account and let the courts force it on you.

If you would would have built one yourself 10-20 years ago you probably could have still had guardrails but no you were dragged in kicking and screaming.

Basically once the court ruled in favor of NIL the NCAA said fuck it and took both hands off the wheel.

The NCAA basically said "you wanted this? You got it and enjoy the shit show".

I don't think these athletes understand the position they're in now and they'd better be careful to not make things worse. Sure some will get money but most won't be in that kind of position.

We are already seeing D1 kids in Ohio at record lows now due to the transfer portal etc and it's just year 2. Wait until these schools in the Big Ten or ACC catch up to what the SEC is doing. It'll only get worse.

Why take a chance on a 3 star from a small school when we can go into the portal and get a 4 year starter? Why take a project when we can treat the MAC as our system to filter out projects?

Want that money kid? More than happy to pay but you'll have to prove it at Iowa State first. Then the kid is forced to go that route, it doesn't work out, and is screwed.

Sometimes the devil that you know is better than the one you don't. These kids are betting on themselves but there's going to be a lot of kids who will be worse off.

 

[BB73]

The recruit who recently said that whichever of three fan bases gives him the most something will get his commitment, one of which was Penn State, gave me this idea.

A Buckeye collective could create an NFT item (@shetuck) for potential Buckeye recruits, and then fans can throw NIL money at the guy, with the stipulation that he gets the money only after he dresses for a game/gets his black stripe removed/plays in a game/completes a semester with an acceptable GPA, or some combination of those criteria. I guess there’s a question of using the image and not paying the money, but perhaps they could have the recruit sign a contract agreeing to those terms; or the NFT item contains tOSU trademarked items so the payments are conditional to attending tOSU.

There’s also the obvious question of what happens to the money for guys that go somewhere else, can that go into a pool for future use?

Hopefully a well-connected collective with the best interests of the football team can get some legal advice on making such a scenario to be functional.

They could also do this for current players, so JT Tuimoloau could have gotten a boost after the PSU game, due to a huge fan reaction, or JSN after the Rose Bowl, etc.

 

[Onebuckfan]

The recruit who recently said that whichever of three fan bases gives him the most something will get his commitment, one of which was Penn State, gave me this idea.

A Buckeye collective could create an NFT item for potential Buckeye recruits, and then fans can throw NIL money at the guy, with the stipulation that he gets the money only after he dresses for a game/gets his black stripe removed/plays in a game/completes a semester with an acceptable GPA, or some combination of those criteria. I guess there’s a question of using the image and not paying the money, but perhaps they could have the recruit sign a contract agreeing to those terms; or the NFT item contains tOSU trademarked items so the payments are conditional to attending tOSU.

There’s also the obvious question of what happens to the money for guys that go somewhere else, can that go into a pool for future use?

Hopefully a well-connected collective with the best interests of the football team can get some legal advice on making such a scenario to be functional.

They could also do this for current players, so JT Tuimoloau could have gotten a boost after the PSU game, due to a huge fan reaction, or JSN after the Rose Bowl, etc.

Embrace chaos the new normal. The players play for themselves and maybe their teams until more comes along. More money more fame more playing time. Contentment or commitment is passé.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The problem is that these collectives are attracting the people who don't have the best interests of the university or even the football team. Those people almost always have their own long-established donor relationships with the university. Donors and board members like Carter Phillips (head of the exec committee at Sidley), Bill Lowrey (retired CEO of Amoco) or John Ong (retired CEO of BF Goodrich) are the type of people who could run a first class collective, yet they by their very nature and interests have zero interest in being remotely involved with one.

Instead, the forming of the collectives is a magnet for the complete opposite. They're people with little attachment to the university who are drawn by the lure of gaining influence over the football program. Zak Smith? That Smails kid? When the collectives are sending us their people, they're not sending us their best.

 

[AKAK]

Fair enough.

Though I wasn't implying, at least intentionally, that the upward trend of revenue is unstoppable. I was just saying that the revenue is the only indicator that matters.

And, if and when the revenue growth slows down, or stops, or even reverses the advertisers will move on to fluffing somebody else.

I realize also that there are some different marketplace realities that are different,. Sports gambling may help on both the revenue and interest front. I don't know that it will have the lift fantasy football did for the NFL, to all the sudden you care about every game you have a player in.

 

[Thump]

The problem is that these collectives are attracting the people who don't have the best interests of the university or even the football team. Those people almost always have their own long-established donor relationships with the university. Donors and board members like Carter Phillips (head of the exec committee at Sidley), Bill Lowrey (retired CEO of Amoco) or John Ong (retired CEO of BF Goodrich) are the type of people who could run a first class collective, yet they by their very nature and interests have zero interest in being remotely involved with one.

Instead, the forming of the collectives is a magnet for the complete opposite. They're people with little attachment to the university who are drawn by the lure of gaining influence over the football program. Zak Smith? That Smails kid? When the collectives are sending us their people, they're not sending us their best.

Totally on point!

Very well-stated Ord.

 

[Thump]

The problem is that these collectives are attracting the people who don't have the best interests of the university or even the football team. Those people almost always have their own long-established donor relationships with the university. Donors and board members like Carter Phillips (head of the exec committee at Sidley), Bill Lowrey (retired CEO of Amoco) or John Ong (retired CEO of BF Goodrich) are the type of people who could run a first class collective, yet they by their very nature and interests have zero interest in being remotely involved with one.

Instead, the forming of the collectives is a magnet for the complete opposite. They're people with little attachment to the university who are drawn by the lure of gaining influence over the football program. Zak Smith? That Smails kid? When the collectives are sending us their people, they're not sending us their best.

Jock-sniffers and fan boys.

 

[AKAK]

The problem is that these collectives are attracting the people who don't have the best interests of the university or even the football team. Those people almost always have their own long-established donor relationships with the university. Donors and board members like Carter Phillips (head of the exec committee at Sidley), Bill Lowrey (retired CEO of Amoco) or John Ong (retired CEO of BF Goodrich) are the type of people who could run a first class collective, yet they by their very nature and interests have zero interest in being remotely involved with one.

Instead, the forming of the collectives is a magnet for the complete opposite. They're people with little attachment to the university who are drawn by the lure of gaining influence over the football program. Zak Smith? That Smails kid? When the collectives are sending us their people, they're not sending us their best.

Is it bad that my immediate thought on hearing Zach Smith was that he would recruit a bunch of telemarketers who get you to donate $100 to the FOP children's fund, keep $90, and send you a bumper sticker?

 

[Thump]

Is it bad that my immediate thought on hearing Zach Smith was that he would recruit a bunch of telemarketers who get you to donate $100 to the FOP children's fund, keep $90, and send you a bumper sticker?

No.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Is it bad that my immediate thought on hearing Zach Smith was that he would recruit a bunch of telemarketers who get you to donate $100 to the FOP children's fund, keep $90, and send you a bumper sticker?

Not just Smith. That was my immediate take on that Smails kid. How much was going to go for a fancy suite of offices? A netjet card? Nice little honorariums for the board members and a healthy salary for Little Lord Schottenstein? Throw in what the players were going to get paid, and what's left for the actual non-profit charities that are the basis for the tax-exempt status. I said the likelihood of these things (not just the foundation) ending up in serious IRS trouble isn't negligible.

I'd feel a lot better about this if all these board members had backgrounds in business and non-profits. Instead, we get a bunch of ex-players of questionable experience and a coach who got run off under a cloud. Like Thump said, this reeks of jock-sniffing more than anything professionally run.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Not just Smith. That was my immediate take on that Smails kid. How much was going to go for a fancy suite of offices? A netjet card? Nice little honorariums for the board members and a healthy salary for Little Lord Schottenstein? Throw in what the players were going to get paid, and what's left for the actual non-profit charities that are the basis for the tax-exempt status. I said the likelihood of these things (not just the foundation) ending up in serious IRS trouble isn't negligible.

I'd feel a lot better about this if all these board members had backgrounds in business and non-profits. Instead, we get a bunch of ex-players of questionable experience and a coach who got run off under a cloud. Like Thump said, this reeks of jock-sniffing more than anything professionally run.

Turn it over to somebody that’s organized and disciplined. The “Mob”. Half sarcasm.

 

[Thump]

Turn it over to somebody that’s organized and disciplined. The “Mob”. Half sarcasm.

 

[pnuts34]

Not sure if this has been posted. But it’s a great perspective from someone with no skin in the game.OSU mapping out a 40yr plan and not a 4yr one