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Than the same should be done for all of the other students on campus as well who 100k don't go see play football on Saturdays and pay millions in merchandise. I mean that IT or Finance major shouldn't be able to earn profits either...O’Bannon is a bastard. Pretty sure all of this nonsense started with him. Yeah, I’m sure it would have hit the fan eventually regardless, but still.
I just hate all of it. Count me in the camp that considers a paid education and the opportunity to go make millions at the next level more than enough. Prove it on the field/court/etc. and enjoy your free ride.
The kids should've been paid all along. IMO, thank God for O'Bannon, and whomever started this
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
It would need to be done on an overall, consistent level. Probably the P5 breaking away, establishing a payscale and having a players association form to negotiate on behalf of the players. In other words, nfl-lite.
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Yep. Which means the artist formerly known as places like the SEC, Miami etc would have to agree to rules and enforcement of said rules.
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Here is another thought on where this could go if you continue the logic chain toward an NFL-lite model. Sooner or later it's going to become more and more clear that it's just a professional sports league. It really has nothing to do with the schools other than using their name. So why do we keep the 4 years of eligibility thing? Some guys will move on to the higher level but some guys can make a very nice living and have a 7-10 year career. I mean, why not?
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Not sure why CFB and NFL never just went full on the baseball route. Go to college for several(I forget the exact number) years and then become eligible for the pros, go straight to the pros from HS. Not everyone is going to make it the NFL, and I can't fault a kid for giving it a try, whether he's a 3 or 5star. Not sure why we baby athletes so much, yet the kid who graduates HS with them we could care less if they go to college or work as a mechanic. Never understood why a kid HAS to go to college for X number of years if he thinks he's ready for the NFL. We don't stop 18yos from going into the military, and say they need to go to college for a few years first, or they need 3yrs of basic training first. They're young adults and should be treated as such, and I never understood the argument of "but they get free room and board" as a proper compensation when they risk their bodies at such a young age for our enjoyment. We wear their jerseys, fork over money to watch them play. and yet we're content with them not seeing a cent.
This is going to be a long process that isn't solved anytime soon
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Totally agree. The go to college for 4 years thing just isn't reality for a lot of kids anymore and that isn't a bad thing. I think the minor league baseball comp is very similar to where this could go. People don't blink an eye at the idea of a kid going straight to pro baseball out of HS. They decide to take the working adult education path and chase their real career dream. It's a decision a lot of kids make.
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The NCAA literally does everything to make the wrong decision, and try and live in the 1950s. The whole change in age limit for the NBA was laughable, there was nothing wrong with HS kids going straight to the NBA. And now they've made CBB an absolute laughingstock, and the NBA in turn thumbed their nose at the NCAA and let kids go to the G league now(and overseas has become option moreso as well). There was a world where both entities could co-exist and thrive, and now CBB is a watered down version of itself filled with guys who are only at college for a few months before bolting.
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O’Bannon is a bastard. Pretty sure all of this nonsense started with him. Yeah, I’m sure it would have hit the fan eventually regardless, but still.
I just hate all of it. Count me in the camp that considers a paid education and the opportunity to go make millions at the next level more than enough. Prove it on the field/court/etc. and enjoy your free ride.
Yeah, I just can't go there anymore. Forget the NCAA/OBannon and sports, look how schools have raised the tuitions year after year after year on the normal students for degrees that have a lower and lower ROI every time they do it.
Schools have made it very clear they are running a business so fuck them. Business is business.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
I tend to not speak for others, but I'm talking on behalf of all of former broke-ass students who also played a sport. Including some of the dudes I played with and know as well. All who would agree and have killed for such a deal.
I'm not thinking from a prospective of a 5 star athlete in 2022. And in a sense, I'm sort of glad for that "in between" era I was in. Gives a perspective of gratefulness.
... this isn't to demonize the merits of NIL either, before anybody jumps on that train.
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Couple thoughts here. (They are largely unrelated to each other)
1. Are we going to continue to make them go to classes? (Now remember, this isn't just football, prepare for the Volleyball *ahem* Calendars and all that other stuff)
2. How good is the minor league baseball comparison, really? What does the age and composition of a Rookie Ball Roster look like, or more importantly a AAA roster, IF the purpose is not to provide a reserve/developmental tool for a particular MLB team?
3. If you can keep kids more than 4 - 6 years, and they are making you money, why would you just let the NFL have them for free? (See there's a fun angle on the employment issue, if the "schools" put them under contract and instead of the NFL drafting them, why wouldn't you sell the rights to them? And so much for free transfers, they're not going to have these kids be employees like they're working at the Citgo. If they want TV money, its going to be an exclusive rights contract)
4. Adding 2 & 3 together, how long to do keep someone's contract you can't sell to the NFL?
5. If you're the NFL, do draft anyone of any age, acquire their rights, then send them to college or some other place before they have to compete in the NFL? (Let's face it you can say they should be able to go right to the league at 18 but, how many are making a roster?)
6. If you're an 18 year old kid and get drafted, what if you don't sign? (now we can do the baseball compare, do they have to go in College for 3 years now? And are they limited to NIL then even if the schools are paying other kids?)
7. Do you start actually renewing scholarships every 4 years + benies like they're exclusive rights free agents because they can't (in some of these scenarios) go pro for years?
(Yeah, I get the idea that the Schools player rights and the NFL player rights are different, except... they don't have to be)
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I think this one is where the whole thing will come to a head. You have two frameworks at play. The old student athlete model, where playing sports was a part of the overall development of the person, still applies to most non-revenue sports. The other reality is professional athletes making big money for the school under the guise of the traditional "scholar athlete" model. I have no idea how and there are all kinds of "what if" but I think they are going to have to tackle this dichotomy head on.
Can you make an agreement with people who have the skill to play a sport that makes the school money different than an agreement with people who play a non revenue sport? Lots of legalities and TitleIX stuff are going to jump in the way of that real quick. One work around might be making your revenue making sports a separate legal entity that exists to play that sport. Money can still change hands via rev share agreements/licensing deals etc.
Give the players health care, a G.I. bill-like opportunity for a degree when playing days are done and let the free market of that form of entertainment dictate all the economics. I don't pretend to know on any of this stuff. I'm just spitballing.
As far as #2-7, I am hesitant to keep pointing to European club soccer as the business model because I don't know it that well. What I do understand of it, many professional clubs at various level that allow teams and players to move up and down, contracts to be sold up and down etc seems to make a lot of sense for all the points you bring up. I could see an average HS football player having to earn his time at the MAC level before being able to be at an OSU level kind of thing where a HS prodigy might be good enough to play at the highest level right away. How long you keep them, cut them or sell their contract would all kind of be governed by the entertainment value they produced (I would think).
Again, no real idea better than anyone else but interesting stuff to contemplate.
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So, when a Collective throws a bunch of money at a player, what are they paying for? Does the Collective now own the rights to the players NIL? Wasn’t that the whole idea of this, to pay a player to use their NIL on clothing, posters, adds, etc.?
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