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Mike Leach (HC Mississippi State, a National Treasure, R.I.P.)

OH10;1629332; said:
2. Texas Tech is in some hot water here. It is a public institution that is required to grant Leach due process, which could mean a pre-termination hearing. Now, they've come out and said that Leach was being insubordinate for, among other things, filing a suit over his suspension. Smacks of retaliation for pursuing a lawful suit over the school's due process measures.

Like someone already said, the state next door to me is an "At Will" state, and while they can hire him for no good reason because he has few legal rights afforded by Texas law, he was free to (and did) contract with Tech to create all sort of substantive rights. It is incomprehensible to me that a job of that magnitude negotiated by the type of agents and attorneys utilized by high profile coaches would not have a number of clauses that describe the sort of investigation and proof required to break the contract. And whatever nuttiness that he had previously engaged in, his signing a recently negotiated contract means that they were fine with whatever he did previously. They should be estopped from bitching about anything pre-renegotiated contract.

He should be able to rape Tech, absent a hell of a lot more than has been discussed. Trial Lawyers in Texas are brutal, and can easily spend more $$ trying the case than the school will. Texas has punitive damages, unlike the Civil Code folk next door, although I do not know if the contract limits the recovery for breach to actual contractual economic damages. The way Tech has handled this thing leaves them open to tort liability, and defaming someone is not OK even if you are allowed to fire them.

If I were his counsel I would definitely think about suing Craig James and ESPN for conspiring with Tech, if for no better reason than to get at all of the e-mails and texts between Tech and Espin on this. While ESPN would say that their communicating with Tech is merely "investigative reporting", the selective manner in which ESPN is reporting this (coupled with Jame's position with the company, and what I would bet my life is a very active campaign by him to affect the ESPN treatment of the story) could rise to intentional interference with contract, or some other creative theory.

If I could get access to the communications to and from James and the producers/execs, you could likely get something stupid enough to survive the 12 b and c's, summary judgment attempts, and get to a pissed off jury.

I would love to know the venue provisions. Where they file and hear this thing will be interesting if it is in Lubbock.
 
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Gatorubet;1629381; said:
Like someone already said, the state next door to me is an "At Will" state, and while they can hire him for no good reason because he has few legal rights afforded by Texas law, he was free to (and did) contract with Tech to create all sort of substantive rights. It is incomprehensible to me that a job of that magnitude negotiated by the type of agents and attorneys utilized by high profile coaches would not have a number of clauses that describe the sort of investigation and proof required to break the contract. And whatever nuttiness that he had previously engaged in, his signing a recently negotiated contract means that they were fine with whatever he did previously. They should be estopped from bitching about anything pre-renegotiated contract.

He should be able to rape Tech, absent a hell of a lot more than has been discussed. Trial Lawyers in Texas are brutal, and can easily spend more $$ trying the case than the school will. Texas has punitive damages, unlike the Civil Code folk next door, although I do not know if the contract limits the recovery for breach to actual contractual economic damages. The way Tech has handled this thing leaves them open to tort liability, and defaming someone is not OK even if you are allowed to fire them.

If I were his counsel I would definitely think about suing Craig James and ESPN for conspiring with Tech, if for no better reason than to get at all of the e-mails and texts between Tech and Espin on this. While ESPN would say that their communicating with Tech is merely "investigative reporting", the selective manner in which ESPN is reporting this (coupled with Jame's position with the company, and what I would bet my life is a very active campaign by him to affect the ESPN treatment of the story) could rise to intentional interference with contract, or some other creative theory.

If I could get access to the communications to and from James and the producers/execs, you could likely get something stupid enough to survive the 12 b and c's, summary judgment attempts, and get to a [censored]ed off jury.

I would love to know the venue provisions. Where they file and hear this thing will be interesting if it is in Lubbock.

I think this post sums it up pretty well. To clarify, I didn't mean to state that Tech couldn't terminate him at will, but I would have to assume there is a "for cause" provision if the university is going out of its way to say he's been terminated "for cause." If the public institution creates that expectation right, normally they have to provide some type of pre-termination hearing if they are going for a "for cause" termination.

Just wanted to walkback what is becoming a an oft-quoted meme, that Leach had filed suit against TT. That is not true. What Leach sought was a Temporary Restraining Order, the legal equivalent of a colling down period or timeout.

He filed suit saying that his suspension was improper. The restraining order is only a portion of the suit that comes early on if he can prove a substantial liklihood of success on the suit and irreparable damage if the TRO isn't granted. The suit is, of course, moot now that he has been terminated and there will be a new one.
 
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"It is incomprehensible to me that a job of that magnitude negotiated by the type of agents and attorneys utilized by high profile coaches would not have a number of clauses that describe the sort of investigation and proof required to break the contract."

There's the magic word I keep waiting for...and waiting...and waiting: Proof. Aside from the Tiny-Tim-Level lame cell phone video from James Jr., where is the proof? Is an accusation proof? Fine, supposedly Leach didn't deny sending the kid to the "shed" but rather that his action was wrong. I don't dispute that it was a weird choice, probably a guideline-breaking one, but I do wonder if the punishment fits the crime. What has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction is what harm the delicate child sustained by staying in there. Is his health permanently impaired? Will he suffer lifelong psychological scars? He apparently wasn't too freakin' traumatized to whip out his handy cell phone & record the experience. Besides that, was there an armed escort that ordered him on forfeit of his life to go to the shed? If it was such an unreasonable & horrifying demand, then shouldn't Jr. have walked off the field and reported the incident then? If Leach had booted him from the team for disobeying, shouldn't Jr. have had a case for reinstatement based on the demand being so outrageous? If Jr. had refused to go in the shed, would Leach still have been suspended & fired simply for telling him to go? Maybe what Jr. really thought was "Now I've got him."

The newest ESPIN video of James Sr., post-firing, has him proclaiming "This isn't what we wanted"...really, pop? What outcome did you want exactly? A group hug?
 
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It isn't what James wanted.

He thought he could quietly intimidate the coach into submission using his position in the media. He didn't realize that the coach was willing to go the entire distance. One never knows what TT has as evidence against Leach over the years--he is wild--but it doesn't sound convincing in respect of this James issue at this point and it does seem as if they have blown it procedurally.

In the end, TT will pay big money to Leach, the AD will be fired or move on, the James kid will probably never play any meaningful down at a program of any note after he transfers, and Craig James will be remembered personally for this nonsense and suffer considerable loss as a result.

Yep, I think he's being honest. This is not what he wanted.
 
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CentralMOBuck;1629769; said:
Leach Sounds Off On James, Firing - ESPN Video - ESPN

ESPN has a nice interview with Leach blasting everyone involved.

I find Leach's portrayal of the James Gang for more believable than their portrayal of him. He didn't just show up in Lubbock last month. He's been there for about a decade and this is the first time we've heard such allegations.

Leach said Craig James demanded more attention than all of the other parents combined, and I don't find that hard to believe. I also don't find it hard to believe Adam James is a spoiled brat who thought he should be the star just because he's Adam James.

Leach will coach elsewhere. His career will continue. I'll bet Adam James' 15 minutes are just about up. I won't be surprised if he transfers to SMU, where his dad played and June Jones runs a similar offense.
 
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Jake;1629955; said:
I find Leach's portrayal of the James Gang for more believable than their portrayal of him. He didn't just show up in Lubbock last month. He's been there for about a decade and this is the first time we've heard such allegations.

Leach said Craig James demanded more attention than all of the other parents combined, and I don't find that hard to believe. I also don't find it hard to believe Adam James is a spoiled brat who thought he should be the star just because he's Adam James.

Leach will coach elsewhere. His career will continue. I'll bet Adam James' 15 minutes are just about up. I won't be surprised if he transfers to SMU, where his dad played and June Jones runs a similar offense.

Agreed, this pretty much sums up my thoughts. The only caveat is that Leach needs to do a better job representing himself in the media right now. I understand why he's eager to defend himself, but he could frame it & position himself for his next job in a much better way.
 
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Jake;1629955; said:
Leach said Craig James demanded more attention than all of the other parents combined, and I don't find that hard to believe.

Pretty hard to refute this, given that CJ showed up every ten minutes on ESPIN doing exactly what he's accused of doing: hovering, intervening, maneuvering on behalf of his precious boy. Nothing in James Sr's recent conduct leads me to disbelieve Leach.
 
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localyokel;1630113; said:
Anything really juicy in these worth copying & pasting? The links refuse to open for me.

Strange...both work fine for me. Anyone else? Here is the article but the emails are in .pdf form...that might be your issue.

Game Time: Global Thermonuclear War In Lubbock

By Sean Pendergast in College Football, Game Time
Thu., Dec. 31 2009 @ 2:31PM

​Remember the movie War Games where Matthew Broderick's character hacks into some online set of games, decides to play Global Thermonuclear War and sets of a chain reaction that nearly launches actual government missiles all over the world? In the end, the missiles don't get launched, instead we're left with a very `80's message that in GTN War, there are no winners. Texas Tech fans are nodding their heads today, for they now know about a nuclear war in which there are no winners.

It's only proper that I close out the decade with a movie reference from roughly three decades ago. Old-school pop-culture references are my go-to move, much like Kobe's jumper from the elbow or Adam James post-dating Youtube videos of random electrical closets. And with that, you can probably see where this one is going.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you turn your attention to the west, you will see a large mushroom cloud...that's Lubbock. Specifically, the nuclear fallout is Texas Tech University, which has never been more fractured seemingly over some prima donna son of a prima donna who wound up standing (in my best Spencer Tillman from Horrible Turn...."my oh my....standing!") in some room for a few hours.

Whatever type of room it was -- we've heard shed, electrical closet, ice house, media room -- it really doesn't matter anymore. Despite our hourly dosage of Craig James on the Worldwide Leader (absolutely nauseating segments which became especially vomit-inducing when James had the gall to bring out the V word...."victim", NOT the V word that most of you are using for his son, Adam), this stopped being specifically about Adam James and his concussion the second Texas Tech decided to fire Mike Leach over this whole thing.

An aerial view of Lubbock.​Leach making an example of a kid whose support from his teammates (current and former) and coaches (current and former) is mixed at best, and I'm being VERY kind, is merely the straw that broke Kent Hance, Gerald Myers, and Jim Sowell's collective back. (More on these three in a second.)

Much like a marriage gone awry, the actual trigger event to the decision to finally divorce is very rarely the actual cause of the divorce. The symptoms were there all along, and the divorce is merely a result of varying dysfunction in both sides of the partnership. It goes like this -- there's usually a realization somewhere that both sides are together for the wrong reasons (Leach's contract renegotiation in early 2009), some sort of event that bubbles all of the marital dirty laundry to the surface (hello Adam James), a weak attempt to try and Super Glue it together one more time (Texas Tech's attempt to get Mike Leach to apologize to the James family), and then finally the axe comes down (start packing, Mike).

So if we could, let's stop speculating about the size of the room that Adam James was in, how long he was in it for, and how lazy he was. For the Leach haters, let's also stop making it sound like he treated Adam's concussion by using Adam's cranium as a life-size target in a game of Whack-a-mole. Little Adam stood in some climate-controlled room for a few hours. Bizarre? Yes. Silly? Maybe. Life threatening? Please.

This story is no longer about Adam James, so Craig James you're off the hook. Go hover over the coaches at the practices of whatever sports your other three kids play, and get back to what you do best -- making inane comments that you can never support with facts during your broadcasts and filling out an AP ballot that makes no earthly sense.

The story is now about the hatred between and, to a degree, the ineptitude of two parties -- Mike Leach and the three-headed monster of Hance, Myers and Sowell. While everyone is trying to make sense of what Mike Leach did with Adam James, that was merely the trigger event -- the fertilizer for a feud where the seeds were planted long ago. Where Leach deserves to be criticized is for giving the school any kind of opening to whack him...unless he saw it coming all along and didn't really care. And to take it back to the marriage analogy, there does come a point where at least one party stops caring about the outcome. They just want out. Leach has yet to speak, so to be fair, we don't know this to be the case. He also needs to get paid, so I don't blame him for sitting tight on giving his side of the story.

The answers to the test are right here; no story can be written about the sad ending to the Mike Leach Era without reading those emails exchanged between Jim Sowell (TTU booster), Kent Hance (TTU Chancellor), and Gerald Myers (TTU AD).

Read those emails, and then continue on....trust me, if you go to any school other than Texas Tech, they are highly entertaining. If you go to Texas Tech, I would imagine they're chilling. They paint a picture of an athletics department and administration that don't wipe their ass without talking to Jim Sowell. It's as if Texas Tech were run by Myers and Hance versions of the Kobe and LeBron puppets with Sowell as the puppeteer. That's my first impression.

Secondly, the degree to which Sowell [censored]-talks Leach in rhe emails is amazing. It's actually counterintuitive, in a way. The string of emails illustrates a portion of the exhausting renegotiation process the school chooses to go through with a coach that, by Sowell's assessment, is a complete undesirable who is barely competent to get an interview at McDonald's much less Auburn. My question to Sowell would be "If he's as much of a buffoon as you make him out to be, then what does that say about every other hire the school has ever made to coach football, because Leach is far and away your best coach and the main reason people outside of Texas can now find Lubbock on a map?" Sorry, it's just a fact and judging by the reaction of most Texas Tech fans today, they agree.

In the end, like Global Thermonuclear War, today there are no winners. Hance, Myers, and Sowell have had the curtain ripped back on an administration that appears to lack in competence almost as much as they would like you to believe Mike Leach does. Leach's next competitive endeavor will now take place in a courtroom as he seeks to get paid for what he sees as his wrongful termination. Both of these parties may land on their feet. Texas Tech probably won't make a sure home-run hire, but they might hit a solid double in the gap.

As for Leach, contrary to what some will have you believe, he will not be that tough a sell to some athletics director out there desperate to win, sell tickets, and graduate players. Ironically, this is what got Bobby Knight re-hired after he actually CHOKED a player, a long end to a litany of abusive player practices at Indiana. Indeed, it got him re-hired....AT TEXAS TECH, as if we needed another illustration of how little Leach's termination has to do with Adam James and performance.

The losers in all of this are the Texas Tech alumni and fans, who finally got a taste of relevance on Leach's watch. We have no idea who the next coach will be, we just know it will be someone a whole lot less interesting than Mike Leach. Whether he is more successful remains to be seen. I just hope we get to read the e-mails leading up to the hire; I find the comedy team of Hance, Myers and Sowell to be side splittingly funny. Unintentionally, but still very funny.

Now if anyone can find me a string of emails from the Junction Boys commenting about this whole Adam James thing, that would be sweet. My guess is they have an opinion on it, and it involves the V word....no, not "victim".
 
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