Mike Leach (HC Mississippi State, a National Treasure, R.I.P.)

[Steve19]

Excerpt from Leach's 2005 contract ( assuming this same clause survived the contract Leach signed before the start of this season) contained in Section V(A)(8) on page 6:

Wouldn't labor law give any employee rights of due process, access to charges and evidence, and time to respond?

I don't have any interest on either side of this but I do think it would be very funny if Leach took them to court and got himself a payment for defamation and reinstatement to the position.

 

[localyokel]

Eric Kusialias ([censored]ed that up....) on CFB live

"The TT fanbase seems to be siding with the coach, while the rest of the nation is definitively siding with the player"

He hasn't been reading this board has he?

Thanks for the reminder. I heard this last night too & thought that, once again, the Buckeye community must be out of the national loop. Apparently everyone else in America, except for the 90+% on this board, is drinking the James brand Kool-Aid. I wanna see those emails EK referenced. I don't believe it. The ones he was reading during the morning show yesterday sure as (censored) didn't seem all pro-James boys.

It is a nice tactic, tho', when you have the power of a media forum. Just tell people that overwhelmingly a particular point of view is held. That way, if the listener disagrees but isn't in touch with many people, they're left with the impression that they must be mistaken in their judgment, since they're in such an extreme minority.

 

[localyokel]

I think the way they're getting around the 10-day clause is that they originally gave Leach notice about the complaint earlier this month, so they may be counting from that date. I sounds like that original notice is also the point at which Leach rejected whatever TT was proposing in terms of apologies, changes in procedure, acknowledgment of wrongdoing, or whatever. (Will we ever know for sure?)

He said...she said...he said...they said...he said...blahblahblah

 

[LightningRod]

Wouldn't labor law give any employee rights of due process, access to charges and evidence, and time to respond?

I don't have any interest on either side of this but I do think it would be very funny if Leach took them to court and got himself a payment for defamation and reinstatement to the position.

Most employment relations in the US are employment at will meaning the employer has a broad latitude in terminating an employee without due process. Of course due regard must be given to other laws protecting workers such as discrimination laws, ADA and the like, but savvy employers can navigate these minefields with relative ease. In situations where a written contract exists (coaches, collective bargaining workers, etc.) the provisions of the contract will dictate the procedures required in a termination event.

 

[gracelhink]

They are hard at work publishing little fluff pieces so that they can present an overall balanced coverage. As usual with ESPiN, disgusting. I'm no Leach fan and I have no knowledge of what went on except for that video, but it seems clear that this is not over and it will not end well for anyone, especially Texas Tech and the kid.

The accusations and ensuing TT media exposure really makes me appreciate the tactical and gracious response of Tressel and tOSU when Clarett made accusations against tOSU. Sometimes the silence of the coach and willingness to take the consequences of media scorn and other public perception privately ala JT can defuse the ultimate conclusion that things will "not end well for anyone."
After all the TT internal turmoil and the party's public posturing, I reflect back on 2003 in Columbus and how that accusation could have played out differently if JT chose to debate all of the info about allegations in the public square.
My admiration for Jim Tressel as the head coach at Ohio State has multiplied exponentially over the years. Thanks for understanding the principles of what it really means to be a winner, Jim.

 

[TheIronColonel]

That's a good point. JT's strategy fundamentally acknowledged that ESPiN's stance was that conflict mean ratings; they had already made up their minds regardless of the facts. He wasn't going to convince them, so he just didn't say anything. That was a lot smarter than most of us realized at the time.

 

[cincibuck]

Dudley nailed my head to the floor, but I had it coming to me... but Dinsdale was the one -- he --used -- sarcasm.

Just received a warning from the notorious Piranha Brothers, so let me set the record straight:

Most of the strange tales concern Dinsdale, but what about Doug? One man who met him was Luigi Vercotti.

"I had been running a successful escort agency -- high class, no really, high class girls -- we didn't have any of that -- that was right out. So I decided to open a high class night club for the gentry at Biggleswade with International cuisine and cooking and top line acts, and not a cheap clip joint for picking up tarts -- that was right out, I deny that completely --, and one evening in walks Dinsdale with a couple of big lads, one of whom was carrying a tactical nuclear missile. They said I had bought one of their fruit machines and would I pay for it? They wanted three quarters of a million pounds. I thought about it and decided not to go to the Police as I had noticed that the lad with the thermonuclear device was the chief constable for the area. So a week later they called again and told me the cheque had bounced and said... I had to see... Doug. Well, I was terrified. Everyone was terrified of Doug. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug. He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."

 

[DiamondBuck]

Hmm... the Columbus Dispatch gave the firing a spot on page 4 of the sports section. You know, after stories like Justin Duchscherer agreeing to an incentive laden one year contract.

You guys are making too much of this thing.

 

[sandgk]

That's a good point. JT's strategy fundamentally acknowledged that ESPiN's stance was that conflict mean ratings; they had already made up their minds regardless of the facts. He wasn't going to convince them, so he just didn't say anything. That was a lot smarter than most of us realized at the time.

Or, put another way, Geiger wasn't going to allow ESPN's defamation and negative reporting to play any role in how he administered the Athletic Program at Ohio State. They might report the "news" but Geiger was the man who decided. Geiger and tOSU had the balls to stare down ESPN's campaign.

TT, on the other hand, must now stand for Totally Testicleless.

 

[Mike80]

Hmm... the Columbus Dispatch gave the firing a spot on page 4 of the sports section. You know, after stories like Justin Duchscherer agreeing to an incentive laden one year contract.

You guys are making too much of this thing.

The story placement decisions of the Disgrace aside, this is a college football forum - issues like this deserve to be discussed.

 

[MaxBuck]

You guys are making too much of this thing.

Then I guess you won't be returning to this thread.

Much as I have not returned to the Uniform/Jersey thread.

 

[Mike80]

now we have the TT chancellor spouting how gruesome Leach was ..

Put James in a closet.

Gave James a dressing down with - shocking, shocking - harsh words!

Plus he's hard-headed, durn it!

What a crock.

 

[cincibuck]

The story placement decisions of the Disgrace aside, this is a college football forum - issues like this deserve to be discussed.

the year that Fred Taylor took a rag tag bunch of bench warmers to a Big 10 Championship share by beating the Cazzie Russell led wolverinies in AA the Dispatch ran a story and picture of Woody signing some kid from Deleware Hayes. The basketball story went below the fold. The pacer halfback never did squat at OSU that I remember, but hey, the Dispatch knew what it wanted to cover. The Dispatch sports department has a serious disregard for anything that is not specifically Ohio State football.

Something is going on beyond some kid pissing and moaning. The comments about fat girlfriends, the Bobby Knight style arrogance toward the press, complaining publicly about facilities -- those are the visible part of the ice berg. To essentially look at the coach and scream, "bring it on!" would suggest to me that the AD and the legal department have been in serious conversation for sometime. I wouldn't count on the Dispatch to keep you informed because then they'd have to do some real reporting.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

EDSBS ? Archive ? DID YOU ORDER THE CODE SHED?

Please tell me there's an LSUFreek mashup to go along with this.

 

[Mike80]

the year that Fred Taylor took a rag tag bunch of bench warmers to a Big 10 Championship share by beating the Cazzie Russell led wolverinies in AA the Dispatch ran a story and picture of Woody signing some kid from Deleware Hayes. The basketball story went below the fold. The pacer halfback never did squat at OSU that I remember, but hey, the Dispatch knew what it wanted to cover. The Dispatch sports department has a serious disregard for anything that is not specifically Ohio State football.

Something is going on beyond some kid pissing and moaning. The comments about fat girlfriends, the Bobby Knight style arrogance toward the press, complaining publicly about facilities -- those are the visible part of the ice berg. To essentially look at the coach and scream, "bring it on!" would suggest to me that the AD and the legal department have been in serious conversation for sometime. I wouldn't count on the Dispatch to keep you informed because then they'd have to do some real reporting.

I know this - actually I don't get the Disgrace and wouldn't bother to read it anyway. The other guy didn't seem to understand that the Disgrace has a limited view of things, especially in the sports department..