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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

Some things never change. Twenty seconds left and his team down by two, he was looking anywhere to pass the ball. Then, with 8 seconds left, down by three, he moves so slow that anyone can stay with him. He STILL does not want the ball at the end. With all he has, he's afraid of the ball at the end.
 
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It's ingrained. When there is any pressure, fucking guy pisses down his leg and looks for anyway out of taking the final shot. :slappy:

I hate Kobe Bryant. I hated Michael Jordan. But, they are/were fucking clutch. And for that, I respected them. I hate LeChoke...and I have zero respect for him. None.

If I were starting an NBA franchise, there are 3-4 players I'd take over this bum, and I'm dead serious.
 
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He has said as much...
the whole reason that he went to Miami is so he didn't have to be the guy to carry the team.

Wade is even trying to concede the team to him and he still doesn't want it. Same old LeBitch. Best player on the planet my ass. Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic. Stone cold. LeBron wants nothing to do with being the man for his team.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2155387; said:
Jim Thorpe
Bo Jackson
Jesse Owens
and to be honest I'd put Deion Sanders in that category as well...not to mention Jordan.....

On pure God-given athletic gifts, I disagree with all of those. Lebron James is 6'8", 240+ pounds. Deion and Jesse were faster, but Lebron is fast. Jordan was more skilled and mentally stronger (which doesn't even count in this discussion), but Lebron is skilled. Bo Jackson was probably faster and more powerful, but did it in a much more compact frame and the cooridination it takes to play running back isn't even in the same league as that required for the game of basketball.

Jim Thorpe was a jack of all trades in an era where the athletes are nearly as specialized as they are now. And, quite frankly, it is hard to judge someone's athleticism without seeing them in action. And there is very little film of him.

If Lebron had even half of the mental toughness of Jordan or Kobe, he'd be the best basketball player we've ever seen. Hell, if he had half of their mental toughness, he'd still be in Cleveland and have multiple rings by now. I think hate blinds us to his superior physical gifts.
 
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OH10;2155455; said:
On pure God-given athletic gifts, I disagree with all of those. Lebron James is 6'8", 240+ pounds. Deion and Jesse were faster, but Lebron is fast. Jordan was more skilled and mentally stronger (which doesn't even count in this discussion), but Lebron is skilled. Bo Jackson was probably faster and more powerful, but did it in a much more compact frame and the cooridination it takes to play running back isn't even in the same league as that required for the game of basketball.

Jim Thorpe was a jack of all trades in an era where the athletes are nearly as specialized as they are now. And, quite frankly, it is hard to judge someone's athleticism without seeing them in action. And there is very little film of him.

If Lebron had even half of the mental toughness of Jordan or Kobe, he'd be the best basketball player we've ever seen. Hell, if he had half of their mental toughness, he'd still be in Cleveland and have multiple rings by now. I think hate blinds us to his superior physical gifts.

uhm... Lets not forget he played baseball as well...

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I'm pretty sure this is the massive HR he hit digging the ball outta the dirt
 
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OH10;2155455; said:
On pure God-given athletic gifts, I disagree with all of those. Lebron James is 6'8", 240+ pounds. Deion and Jesse were faster, but Lebron is fast. Jordan was more skilled and mentally stronger (which doesn't even count in this discussion), but Lebron is skilled. Bo Jackson was probably faster and more powerful, but did it in a much more compact frame and the cooridination it takes to play running back isn't even in the same league as that required for the game of basketball.

Jim Thorpe was a jack of all trades in an era where the athletes are nearly as specialized as they are now. And, quite frankly, it is hard to judge someone's athleticism without seeing them in action. And there is very little film of him.

If Lebron had even half of the mental toughness of Jordan or Kobe, he'd be the best basketball player we've ever seen. Hell, if he had half of their mental toughness, he'd still be in Cleveland and have multiple rings by now. I think hate blinds us to his superior physical gifts.

I disagree with the above bolded text. He is TALENTED, not skilled. He can leap in the air 40"+ in the air and throw the basketball through the rim very powerfully.

He is not what I would consider "skilled". Jordan was skilled. Tim Duncan is skilled. There are no subtle nuances to Lebron's game. His entire game is predicated around sheer athleticism. He runs fast, jumps high, and weighs a lot. I give him credit for his passing ability though.
 
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Jesse Owens commanding the respect of the Aryan newspapers may have been his second most notable achievement behind that day at Ferry Field with 4 world records. In an hour. While injured.


Lebron has a remarkable blend of characteristics, but if he's incapable of using those gifts under pressure, that's a pretty big knock on his athleticism.


He is first and foremost a basketball player, and he's very mediocre at shooting & leading when the chips are down.


A quarterback who can outrun, leap over and throw past any defender would not be lauded for those attributes if they broke down under pressure.



How about a golfer who can outdrive, hit better putts & irons than anyone in history, but always chokes down the stretch of majors? Would we hail his athleticism or talent? Or is that a major detractor when evaluating it?
 
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