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Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

Nebraska - your post makes no sense whatsoever. Why go through all this turmoil, attack, etc. to sit out five games just to resign at the end of the year. If he were planning on leaving, now is the time to do it. Not the end
of the year. He's staying because he wants to stay, not because he wants
to leave at the end of the year.

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scarletngray;1913126; said:
Nebraska - your post makes no sense whatsoever. Why go through all this turmoil, attack, etc. to sit out five games just to resign at the end of the year. If he were planning on leaving, now is the time to do it. Not the end
of the year. He's staying because he wants to stay, not because he wants
to leave at the end of the year.

:osu:

I made the statement because someone in a previous thread said that he was looking to retire anyway. If he does retain his job (and I still think he will), everything I'm hearing about the man is that he is concerned about the players and the university. He won't want to be a distraction to the players or the school, so....

That's my logic, as flawed as it may be.
 
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MaxBuck;1913021; said:
So apparently everyone is clamoring for Jim Tressel to own up not only to what he did, but why he did it. He's already admitted what he did, so his motivation is the only issue that one could claim is not yet on record.

I'd bet that looking back, Coach Tressel may not himself be entirely clear on exactly what his motivations were in the heat of the moment - I'm sure protecting his kids, salvaging the season, heck - even saving himself embarrassment - are all possibilities. But what really is the point? He did the crime, now he'll do the time. People's demands to know "why" are seldom useful IMO.
I disagree entirely. Frankly, this is the biggest problem I have with JT at this point. Yeah, he eventually got around to apologizing in a different setting, but after all the mixed and erroneous messages I would feel a great deal better about this if JT DID offer a true mea culpa. I've said this before, but what bothered me so much about this, wasn't so much the initial transgression (which while serious and deserving of punishment, I could live with on it's own if it didn't happen again) but the really poor efforts to cover it up and shift blame and generally act as if he was doing anything other than something self-serving for the players and football team. Ownership that he got sucked up into the machine that is college football, would mean a great deal to me...any many I've spoken with.
 
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alexhortdog95;1913289; said:
I made the statement because someone in a previous thread said that he was looking to retire anyway. If he does retain his job (and I still think he will), everything I'm hearing about the man is that he is concerned about the players and the university. He won't want to be a distraction to the players or the school, so....

That's my logic, as flawed as it may be.

I also think that there may be a "I made you guys promise to stay and we'd go through this together..." aspect. Stepping away now would invalidate that.

There's actually a part of me that appreciates his willingness to face the music rather than, say, go coach the Seahawks or something.

Just my IMHO
 
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matcar;1913297; said:
I've said this before, but what bothered me so much about this, wasn't so much the initial transgression (which while serious and deserving of punishment, I could live with on it's own if it didn't happen again) but the really poor efforts to cover it up and shift blame and generally act as if he was doing anything other than something self-serving for the players and football team. Ownership that he got sucked up into the machine that is college football, would mean a great deal to me...any many I've spoken with.
But think how hard that really is. He seems to be a very good man, as evidenced by the outpouring of support since this happened. But any man, even a good man, can be swayed by the thousands and thousands of people telling you 24/7 how great you are. Not only how great, but how honest, and straight shooting, and Christian, and "doing it right" kind of guy. Tress gets more adulation in one month than you or I get in a freaking lifetime. I can easily see how even a good man can be blinded a little into thinking that he has it all figured out, and that he is the epicenter of knowing what to do. So when he f-s up, that is hard to take. When he finally realizes that - ya now - I might have screwed up big time, what does that mean? This may sound trite, and self serving, but he also knows that if he rats himself out that now only will he get in trouble, the kids get in trouble, tOSU maybe get in trouble, but that he will disappoint maybe millions of tOSU and Tressel fans.

And I have to think that Tress is not in practice of mea culpa's for what is at worst intentionally lying to gain an advantage, and at best making a horrible call on trying to keep his kids out of trouble and handle it himself, despite being aware of the technical violation. I mean, his past and character shows that he has very little practice defending himself from charges that he lied and behaved unethically....mostly because he seldom lies and acts unethically.

So you have the horse abortion of a presser with the scared, don't know what to do, multiple use of drug drug, FBI FBI, confidentiality, etc, which seems to be a whole lot of bull. I really think he did not want to disappoint everyone by his admission. Maybe he has problems dealing with why he did it himself. But the NCAA are sort of evil in an ingenious way. They like to go after that which the [strike]victim[/strike] person they are targeting most cherishes. With Bobby Bowden, they did not go with the multiple scholarship reductions everyone thought was the probable punishment. Instead, they took his beloved wins away so that he could never win the battle with JoPa. That was such a blow to him that he got his school to appeal that, even though if he won the win vacation appeal his school lost more schollies. They hit him where it hurt.

With Tress, his soft underbelly seems to be his perception as ethical and standup guy. So the NCAA used the harshest of terms to attack his character personally in the NOA. I think, just surmising, that his persona as the "Winners Manual" "right way" ethical saint is what the NCAA is trying to hit the hardest. And I think they are doing it intentionally, as his presser tried as much as possible to maintain that, giving up silly or questionable reason after silly and questionable reason for his failure to tell compliance. Even now, many think he is jumping on the grenade for the team.

They say Pride goeth before a fall. I think Tress was and is a great guy who was told that he was great and smart and moral and always the right thinking and doing guy every day for ten years until he made a mistake. A bad one. And his pride was such that he had, and has, a hard time admitting it. And given what he has achieved, the good he has done, and the fact that 99% of the stuff said adoringly about him is true, I can forgive him his lapse, as God only knows what kind of as ass I would be with that much adulation. The fact that he has a problem admitting it publicly, given everything, makes sense to me. I think Tress did not have anyone to take him aside and dress him down and tell him the hard truths that he needed to hear. Hell, as Gee jokingly (and ill-advisedly) said, he "was worried about Tress firing him!"

As much as Tress let tOSU down in April thru January, I think from Jan thru March they may have let Tress down by the way they handled it, and that the NCAA is making sure that everyone knows that it is Jim's faults - almost an Amish shaming - because he and tOSU did not show sufficient contrition in March. Anyway, just musing like I do on this to everyone's delight. :biggrin:
 
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Nebraska - your post makes no sense whatsoever. Why go through all this turmoil, attack, etc. to sit out five games just to resign at the end of the year. If he were planning on leaving, now is the time to do it. Not the end
of the year. He's staying because he wants to stay, not because he wants
to leave at the end of the year.
It would give OSU a longer time frame to find a replacement (or give our replacement at least a year off like he wanted).
 
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For all those who attempt to whitewash this as "JT putting his players first."

What valuable life lessons did he teach them? That the rules don't apply to them? When learning of rule breaking by those in your charge, cover it up? Lie to the NCAA? Withhold crucial information from you superiors?

If he really wanted to teach them something, he would have proactively suspended them and turned the info over to the the AD and NCAA.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1913351; said:
It would give OSU a longer time frame to find a replacement (or give our replacement at least a year off like he wanted).
and all five will have graduated by then (yes Whiting had a small thing and another player, but they won't be remembered)
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1913368; said:

Good article...

Listen - the man is still....just a man. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. He kisses his wife, gets in his car, and goes to work...like we all do.

I think the biggest problem for a lot of people is that the person who made this mistake was Jim Tressel. It wasn't somebody we expected to do something shady like this, like say, Kiffin, or Chisik, or hell, even Bo.

When somebody told me that there were issues going on at Kansas under Mangino, I was like, "Yeah, and? Duh! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy." Mangino was an a-hole (who might eat your children whole - hey, that rhymed!) Chisik is a guy who, even though he can coach, we all want to fail (for the most part), based on the crap with sCam. Kiffin - nuff said. And the media is slowly building their case against Bo - he needs to watch his back.

But the guy who got caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar wasn't one of these guys with 'character issues' or 'fatal flaws'. It was a guy who was one of the standard bearers of how a coach should be - upright, firm, confident. A person who invokes statements like, "If my son is lucky enough to play for Jim Tressel...." That is the life that is Jim Tressel. He's been placed up on a pedestal by many inside and outside of tOSU.

The problem with that is (like the writer said), the man is human. He screwed up, he made a mistake. We all make them. Who the hell are we to shake our finger at him and say what he should do? My glass house is pretty flimsy, let me tell ya.

Do I want the man to be fired/resign? No, I don't, because ultimately, the tradition of college football is better with 'The Senator', or 'The Sweater Vest'. But, I don't make that call. Tradition will go on with or without him. I think he should face the consequences for what he did, just like the players did.

That's another part of the problem - people automatically assume that JT thought he was 'above the law'. Guys who have that thought process leave the kids and go coach the Seahawks, screw the kids. They take the $$$ and run. He didn't think he was 'above the law' - otherwise, he'd have resigned BEFORE all this got out. The presser definately didn't help his image in the public eye...

Ultimately, what has failed for JT....whether he keeps the job or not.....is the fact that he was elevated as somebody that was infallible. Someone who always makes the right choice. Which is ironic, because football, in it's own, is a set of right and wrong choices. And I have yet to see a football game where a coach makes 100% of the right calls.

In closing...I think I know what the media really wants. They want him to release his birth certificate. And here it is.

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I think a five game suspension for Coach Tressel is a very severe penalty, as it was for the student athletes. As far as the NCAA is concerned, I think that is all the punishment Tress is going to receive. It is harsh and justified at the same time. It's missing nearly half of the season. That's pretty severe.

An all together other matter is if the Football program will be penalized on top of that. Maybe. Maybe not. Loss of scholarships? Forfeiture of games? Something else? Certainly possible but it seems like those deserving penalties, i.e. Tress and the student athletes are being disciplined. It was not the University or the football program that did these things. Yes, JT and the student athletes represent the program, but there is a distinction that could be made. Why punish the innocent while the guilty are already being punished?

Finally, for those calling for JT's head, it is apparent that the President and Athletic Director of tOSU have considered potential disciplinary actions regarding both the school and the coach and have gone on record that they are standing with the coach. I think they made the right choice in doing so.

I understand that what JT did was wrong. But the outrage and public assault has gone way overboard and the outlash towards our coach does
not equal the lack of discretion on his part.

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MililaniBuckeye;1913368; said:
I agree it's a good article, with the exception of the one following absurdity:

His ability to diagram plays doesn't come with a bent toward moral perfection. Even as Tressel tried to make it seem that way.
Sorry, but I don't think Jim Tressel has EVER claimed moral perfection. Nor has he "tried to make it seem" that he's morally perfect.
 
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alexhortdog95;1911887; said:
I could care less how they portray his temper. I think it suits him well, and he gets the job done.

Bill Stoops was the same way early in his HC career. Fiery, overbearing. Then he calmed down.

Bo:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5838941

The entire time he's probably thinking, "These !@#$@#$ are @#$@$@#$@ kidding me. Mother !@#$@#$s."

ROFLOL

I like Pelini but IMO he is not elite. He has lost in big games. I will admit I did love his bowl win over Michigan as Nebraska interim coach.
 
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