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[OHSportsFan]

Jim Lachey contemplating making the gold pants a post eligibility award:

Lachey speaks.

I don't think I've posted on the issue, but I've wondered over the last few months whether tOSU should implement a policy of holding all Gold Pants, team rings, MVP trophies, etc, until a player has completed his eligibility.

And perhaps keep track of all game uniform pieces (jerseyss pants gloves, socks, and shoes) in the same way. Maybe they could make it all uniform items except used jock straps. That way the only thing that the jock sniffers could get their hands on for an active player would justify the term.

In an ideal world, the players could be given the items right away. But the temptation may be too great, and the resulting downside to damaging to tOSU to let active players have that stuff in their possession.

Looks like Jim Lachey (Gold Pants Club President) is wondering the same thing.

From that article...

But based on the scandal that has rocked the football program, should the gold pants be awarded annually to players who still have eligibility remaining?

"I think we're going to start banking them and hand them out to the players after their eligibility has run out," Lachey said.

That at least would keep the pants off the market until selling them would not constitute an NCAA violation. But then, the vast majority of the current and former players never part with them in the first place.

(not sure if you saw that post from earlier today, but wanted to reiterate that this practice may become a reality)

 

[BB73]

What next, institute year-round curfew? Do inventories on each player's personal possessions? If a player has earned an award, then the award should be presented in a timely manner lest the value and meaning of the award gets watered down. Besides, part of going to college is to learn to be an adult and act responsibly...how can you expect them to do so if you treat them like a kid?

Yeah, I know, but not letting them have that stuff might have avoided the last 5 months of shitstorm. There's value in treating young players like adults, but there's also value in avoiding shitstorms.

The other factor in withholding the awarding of the 2010 Gold pants, as mentioned in the article with Lachey, is that if the game gets vacated, they believe they'd have to ask everybody to return them, and they're trying to avoid that mess.

 

[BB73]

Looks like Jim Lachey (Gold Pants Club President) is wondering the same thing.

From that article...

(not sure if you saw that post from earlier today, but wanted to reiterate that this practice may become a reality)

I've been thinking it about it, but I saw that in the posted article and that's why I mentioned the topic, and expanded it to include more than just the Gold Pants.

I've created a BP poll on the topic.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If that's the case, then his point should be the same for the swag given to the players by the bowls. Just make sure all players recieve nothing until they leave school early.

I'd be o.k. with that.

I do not subscribe to the "players are exploited" theory or that not getting swag is depriving anyone of their civil rights. Players get a free education, the school owns the merchandising license.

Worker bees don't make what owner bees make, welcome to the real world kids.

 

[JBaney45]

Already posted my thoughts on why it would be silly to keep the awards from the athletes..their would still be plenty of ways for extra benefits to be received. (The real arguement would be that these items obviously belonged to players at some point..making it easier to get caught for violating NCAA rules when the items get discovered in the wrong hands ala the Rife situation)


The reason that Gold Pants might be considered separately from championship rings and stuff is the fact that it's kind of an irregular award compared to what players at other programs would receive. Any program where they win a conference title or a national championship they're going to get a ring, whereas most programs to my knowledge don't have an award for beating a rival.

 

[ysubuck]

Yeah, I know, but not letting them have that stuff might have avoided the last 5 months of [Mark May]storm. There's value in treating young players like adults, but there's also value in avoiding [Mark May]storms.

The other factor in withholding the awarding of the 2010 Gold pants, as mentioned in the article with Lachey, is that if the game gets vacated, they believe they'd have to ask everybody to return them, and they're trying to avoid that mess.

Coach Tressel doing what he was supposed to also would have avoided the last 5 months of shitstorms.

The kids acted stupid, but they have the "they are just kids" argument (one that I don't subscribe to, by the way) to fall back on.

Jim Tressel has a carefully worded contract that he signed, an NCAA document that he signed and the money that he made on all of his books detailing how winners act that are nipping at his ass right now.

This one is on him, unfortunately.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

If all he did is out..... the only thing that would be embarassing is folding because of embarassment. Many of us are getting swept up in wild speculation and listening to the dick heads that hate Tress and want a lynching because he reminds them of a smug nerd that was smarter than them and knew it in high school....the other folks want blood because they have recieved a decade of beat downs... If we find out that he is corrupt or they hold crippling sanctions over our head thats when its time to go

Yup, that's it. Because JT has truly shown himself to be fucking Rhodes Scholar over the past twelve months. Well, I should give you credit for getting the smug part right.

 

[BB73]

Coach Tressel doing what he was supposed to also would have avoided the last 5 months of shitstorms.

The kids acted stupid, but they have the "they are just kids" argument (one that I don't subscribe to, by the way) to fall back on.

Jim Tressel has a carefully worded contract that he signed, an NCAA document that he signed and the money that he made on all of his books detailing how winners act that are nipping at his ass right now.

This one is on him, unfortunately.

The shitstorm would have been smaller, and would've been in the summer of 2010 if JT had sent the emails to compliance and they were acted on right away, but there still would've been a mess. JT violated the rules and deserves punishment, but his actions/inactions didn't start the problems, they just amplified them.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I'd be o.k. with that.

I do not subscribe to the "players are exploited" theory or that not getting swag is depriving anyone of their civil rights. Players get a free education, the school owns the merchandising license.

Worker bees don't make what owner bees make, welcome to the real world kids.

Yeah, but the owners of the warehouse I work at don't fucking claim to have my best interest at heart.

 

[Steve19]

Yeah, but the owners of the warehouse I work at don't fucking claim to have my best interest at heart.

Is that how you spell that? :p

 

[Gatorubet]

Is that how you spell that? :p

I never even knew he played piano...

 

[Onebuckfan]

Did Archie sell his gold pants when he was in school..this on the 5 players and JT ..you can't blame the swag ..the players and the coach broke the rules they were all aware of...the players have accepted their responsibilty and punishment..JT faces his sometime after Aug 12..

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah, but the owners of the warehouse I work at don't fucking claim to have my best interest at heart.

This is true. We'd all prefer an honest "this is going to hurt" before getting fucked by the powers that be but again, welcome to the real world kids. At our age they give us lines about quality of life, being team members, benefits packages yadda yadda.

People who say they give a shit about you don't and the only people who care if you get fucked is your immediate family.

 

[scarletmike]

Someone mentioned withholding the uniforms from the players in addition to the rings and various swag, and the first thought that popped into my mind was "Apart from their senior/final season, why are they even allowed to take that stuff, except maybe the shoes, on a yearly basis?" I get that these uniforms (especially the rivalry game unis the past few seasons) are usually practically free for the University from Nike, and that they'll probably send more year after year regardless if they need or request them, but I still question why they're just given away (again, apart from the shoes) to the players.

Another point about withholding swag, specifically the Bowl swag. A lot of that stuff sounds like its typical consumer stuff, like Xboxes, iPods, etc. Withholding that stuff until their eligibility is up would be pretty stupid all the way around, as the current stuff like that is outdated with new versions in stores within a year, and isn't really anything most normal people would pay mark-up for unlike game unis and awards (obviously boosters might, but you get the point). Pryor couldn't walk into a GameStop (ok, well maybe in C-bus he could, but highly doubtful) and get over market-value for it, and the store wouldn't be selling it for any more than their other used system inventory.

 

[jwinslow]

I believe the players have to pay OSU just to own their own pants.