I am not all in

[BUCKYLE]

And, since I agree with this 100% after reading it, it makes me pause to realize how discussing it all is painful for many to do. And doubly so when much of the content is not from a member of the "family" - as Kyle points out. But I do know how to gloat - and nothing about my discussions was meant to do that, no matter how insensitive to the distress of others on this issue I may be.

To be fair, 90% of what I've said is just me talking shit in an attempt to get you to leave. I don't even read your posts and I hate your guts.

I hope you get raped by Helen Hunt and a bulldog.

Yes, at the same time.

 

[osugrad21]

Helen Hunt

Quarterback Princess

Greatest movie of all-time

 

[BUCKYLE]

Quarterback Princess

Greatest movie of all-time

I don't care if you get the death penalty now.

 

[matcar]

No, you don't need to make nearly 400 posts to make that point. And, if anyone thinks for a moment that the University of Florida or Urban Meyer can stand on any soapboxes, well, then I think that person really needs to get out more often.

Isn't Florida where Cam was caught cheating but allowed to slink out the door prior to prosecution under University rules. Wasn't a player dismissed after his third arrest just last week? Weren't 27 players arrested a total of 30 times during Urban Meyer's tenure as coach at Florida? And what was Mr Meyer's record at Florida without Tim Tebow? Isn't that where Taz was running down the road shooting off his rounds?

I am not saying that Gatorubet is not welcome here. I'm saying that he really needs to sit down and think about why he spends so much time and effort lecturing morals over here and posting on this issue, when there are far greater problems at home.

Guilty of this minor offense or not, I'd be delighted to turn my kid over to Coach Tressel any day.

you protest too much. look, my post never suggested that UF did everything right but rather that some of us on here (myself included) have a bitter pill to swallow and some crow to eat for all the talk about how things are done the "right way" here. The fact is that things are done at tOSU much like they are done all over the country. That doesn't make JT a bad guy but he isnt a saint and for all his good work, he has placed himself and the program in a pretty tight spot. I welcome Gator's reality check posts.

 

[buck1973]

I think Emmert will make an example of Tress, and as unfair as it may be considering the wide number of much worse instances and men to go after, the press has made his taking down Tress a priority. I think the truth of the belief is less important than the fact it is believed. So that is my guess.

The statement by Emmert made me change my mind. It had nothing at all to do with Tress, who I still think would be a great coach into the OSU future. I just don't think they will let it happen now. I am now convinced that Tress will become a scapegoat for the sins of the NCAA and other programs, because of his degree of fame and reputation.

It seems that you are basing your change of mind on the tone of the ESPN article and their characterization of Emmert's remarks. ESPN wasn't the only organization to have reporters at the mock NCAA hearing.

Mark Emmert wants to start hitting NCAA rule-breakers hard.

The governing body's president said Tuesday he wants schools that violate the rules to pay a stiff penalty -- one that's punitive enough to make coaches and others think twice about cheating.

"We need to make sure our penalty structure and enforcement process imposes a thoughtful level of concern, and that the cost of violating the rules costs more than not violating them," Emmert said

After the mock hearing, the NCAA's president, Mark Emmert, told reporters he was interested in looking for ways that the association's enforcement staff of 50 can manage its cases "a little more expeditiously." Under the current system, a violation is categorized as either "major" or "secondary," a framework that Mr. Emmert said was "a little too crude a categorization." Instead, he floated the idea of creating several more levels of rules violations to reflect the varying degrees of their severity.

And he said he was open to discussing a strengthening of penalties, though any changes in that area would have to go through the NCAA's legislative channels first.

"We need to make sure that our penalty structure and our enforcement process impose a thoughtful level of concern, and even fear, that the cost of violating rules exceeds the benefit," Mr. Emmert said. "When we have people doing a cost-benefit analysis?'Even if I get caught, the penalty won't be too great'?that is not where you want to be."

http://chronicle.com/article/NCAA-Looks-to-Debunk-Myths/127457/


"Open to discussing a strengthening of penalties" is a little different than "wants to start hitting NCAA rule-breakers hard."

 

[brough]

Revise and extend my remarks.

A few comments were made about my post above, about five pages back #745. I do not support mindlessly. I do not expect people to be perfect, so if they make a mistake, I hope to call them out on it, if that is my place as their friend. On the other hand, if they are my friend or family, I try to help them in any way I can. Sometimes that means saying, "no." The reactions were funny however.

No psychic here, just regurgitating what I took as fact from an article in the Dispatch. Or perhaps it was a report from some interview. Don't remember. If it is inaccurate, so be it. No skin off my nose. My points do not rest on its truth.

As for a stipend, the problems would just change, as you say. The free market thing has the same problem though. "Hey, come play for podunk U! After your first year, I will buy your jockstrap for 250 grand." The rules have to be fair, and enforced, and level. It seems to me justice is both a necessary evil and the beauty of harmony called mercy. "Be the change you want to see in the world." I am sick of the childishness of the way things are done in this country. Our priorities are all backasswards and upside-down.

I say Tress should take his punishment, and so should OSU, and those that are under him on the coaching staff, and those in the admin, should simply keep after him about the rules. Make him pay his dues, and move on. Again, I do not see a "He is being punished for one of the gravest violations in NCAA rules." in this issue at all. We do not even know the punishment yet, and he did come clean as the issue came out. Now here would be the speculation if I said more. Five games and 250,000 smackers seems about right to me. If the NCAA does more, than the school should suck it up and move on. Tress can stay until people become spineless politically correct wimps where any mistake is career ending. Might just as well call him any bad name in the book, especially the "r" word. Oh, the sky is falling the sky is falling. Give me a break! It is football and people get competitive. He messed up, this does not make him a bad person, just as "one theft does not make a thief." It will be nice to see the "facts" once and for all. Oh, when might that happen? The NCAA report will be better the the tabloids that pass for news outlets.

 

[brough]

Good points from Florida.

A lifetime of good can be seemingly erased by one bad decision. A strong marriage and family can be destroyed by only one act of cheating after decades of fidelity. A brilliant business or political career ruined by one fudged expense account discovery. Tress' legacy is now more of a side issue, as the mere fact of his continued presence invites cynics to attack and probe tOSU for other wrong doings. I was hoping he could stay and grow from his mistakes. I now think that his presence will now do more harm than good to your future because his retention is seen by a growing majority as proof of institutional immorality. The truth or lack thereof of that view is ultimately of diminishing concern

Yes, in terms of public opinion or adultery, one mess up can ruin everything. I say do not give in to public opinion, it is often the most unjust actions of a "mob" that happens in human life. As for Tress' "crime", I do not take it as the sort of faithlessness that would end a marriage.

 

[RugbyBuck]

But why is this such a big thing in your life? On the way to 400 posts across the various threads on this topic. On the message board of a team you don't even support? More than any other poster, by far? Surely, you realize that you aren't really going to chang

Have you thought about why you would feel the need to make so many posts? I mean, are you really posting about Ohio State or are you projecting your disappointment in your own program and its ex-coach?

Someone got up on the wrong side of South Africa this morning. Thanks, Steve, you're helping pull my day out of the crapper.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Guilty of this minor offense or not, I'd be delighted to turn my kid over to Coach Tressel any day.

Amen.

 

[RugbyBuck]

The real question is who is he billing for the time spent in these posts? At 400 posts, assuming an average of two minutes prep time per, times the standard lawyer billing multiplier of four, that's approx. 3200 minutes spent. The only outfits with that kind of money to throw around on this issue are... espin and the ncaa.

Ah, thank it iz cle-uh, then gentlemen that what we hav he'uh iz a fly in arh ointment postin' frum down Nawlins way. OG, Suh, git out tha flin'locks so we can knock some-a tha verbosity off-a this he'uh scalawag.

 

[Gatorubet]

Someone got up on the wrong side of South Africa this morning. Thanks, Steve, you're helping pull my day out of the crapper.

Amen.

The real question is who is he billing for the time spent in these posts? At 400 posts, assuming an average of two minutes prep time per, times the standard lawyer billing multiplier of four, that's approx. 3200 minutes spent. The only outfits with that kind of money to throw around on this issue are... espin and the ncaa.

Ah, thank it iz cle-uh, then gentlemen that what we hav he'uh iz a fly in arh ointment postin' frum down Nawlins way. OG, Suh, git out tha flin'locks so we can knock some-a tha verbosity off-a this he'uh scalawag.

Glad to have helped pull your day out of the crapper. You and the other invading Pumpers are about to be even happier.

 

[Gatorubet]

Stop [censored]ing posting already. Florida sucks ballz and we RULE!

I eschew your dehortation, Sir.


GEORGIA - we hates it!*




* I cannot decipher all of the pm. I blame the whole fermentation cabal

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Why do people keep referring to the length of Gator's posts? They're all short for me -- one sentence, even, though he keeps repeating himself. Something about an ignore list?

Maybe my browser is broken.

 

[Bucklion]

Your level of butt hurt does not support this statement.



You seem to be wildly misinformed about a large number of things for a moderator playing a small role. The first of which is that this particular thread was not put here for sunshine pumping. There is a sunshine pumper thread. While I may have posted on it once when I made a comment on a post by HINYG8 that was of a content that made me miss the thread title, I have honored the moderators splitting this into three threads. One "for", one "not so sure/against", and one to discuss the news as it enfolds.

I do not appreciate being called on my posts - by you - in a thread where your posts are the inappropriate ones.

The other is that this is also not a thread to discuss the merits of the five guy's errors. You are spending time on a thread that questions the Coach's handling of the matter by talking about how the things the kids did that he should have reported are no biggies. Why are you here exactly?



Nobody ran to Florida boards. Most were just fine laughing and commenting on our problems on the threads dealing with them here. But more to your false and misplaced point, neither did I "run" here to laugh at you. I was already here for almost four years. Nor did I cast wild assumptions and aspersions toward Ohio State. The wild assumptions were the guys saying stuff that the FBI told Tress to keep quiet. Which is to be expected. So it is fine to create a litany of things that make you angry, including people coming to a visitor board solely to laugh at your problems, to come and cast aspersions and wild assumptions. It is not so fine to list them when you imply that it is me doing those things.


Do you have any souffle recipes? They are as relevant to the thread we are in as the paragraph you just posted. Ya know, I take that back. That could be relevant to the topic of why keeping Tress might be a good idea - the thing I was saying for two months until yesterday. Not a great fit for this thread, however. It is a good fit for a "I'm mad at Ubet because my team is facing sanctions so I'll make snarky comments about his team to show that my team is better" thread. I suggest the College Football Board - Gatorplanet or arrests thread?


You keep knocking down those straw men. Find me the posts where I bash your players and coaches. And thanks for saying the other mods are not doing their jobs, I guess - letting me bash players and all.

I think the thing that [censored]es you off the most Steve is that I am complying with the rules of the forum, and so you can't really get a good shot in at me based upon the content of my posts - so you have to go to your post count whining.



And 99% of my posts resemble the reality of the situation better than the sunshine pumping drivel you are spouting. None of Florida's transgressions have [Mark May] to do with your upcoming repeat offender major violations hearing. Not one. If I had posted another thousand posts and you tracked it by word count and adjective and adverb, none of your tracking would have [Mark May] to do with your upcoming repeat offender major violations hearing. You need to go elsewhere for the cause of your unhappiness. A start might be to look at what you wrote: "They sold a few things (on which I seem to place more value than they did), got some tats and, in the case of the coach, did not report the wrongdoing right away."

Sounds like you are mad you got caught. All you have are denials and justifications. I'm sending you your State of Alabama Fan Membership Card in the mail. It's good at both schools.


Because nothing says "keep posting Ubet" like you blathering on about the number of posts I make.

I know its not the wisest move to stir this up, and I had no intentions of doing so, but somebody thought it a good idea to GPA your whiny horse abortion of a post, and that seemed to put an official mod/admin imprimatur of approval on your claims that I am bashing players and coaches, laughing at your misfortune, etc. So I'd rather get actually banned than sit here looking at your factually incorrect, largely non-relevant, off-topic, mis-placed pile of gerbil puke post get a GPA without my commenting.

I need an exit line.............oh yea.

[censored] GEORGIA!

Soooo...you make a long post basically talking about someone else whining about you...and then you end it by whining that he got a GPA This entire thing has really brought out the worst in everything.

DISCLAIMER: I did not GPA or rep any posts in this sequence

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

But more to your false and misplaced point, neither did I "run" here to laugh at you. I was already here for almost four years.

by the way, i repped steve.