I am not all in

[bassbuckeye07]

I wouldn't really see it as him running from his problems. I'd see it more of him leaving to save the university from either more punishment of embarrassment. Obviously I don't know if the NCAA will dish out more punishment if he's still the coach or not, just speculating. I wouldn't think any less of him if he resigned, and I wouldn't think he was running away from his problems. I'd think he was doing what he always has - what he thought was best for Ohio State.

If all he did is out..... the only thing that would be embarassing is folding because of embarassment. Many of us are getting swept up in wild speculation and listening to the dick heads that hate Tress and want a lynching because he reminds them of a smug nerd that was smarter than them and knew it in high school....the other folks want blood because they have recieved a decade of beat downs... If we find out that he is corrupt or they hold crippling sanctions over our head thats when its time to go

 

[Gatorubet]

Do you some of you guys really think that this matter would die down if Jim Tressel resigned? Isn't the reality that it would accelerate?

Let's not be naive. The press, including the Columbus Dispatch, are in this for the revenue that the issue creates. The more everyone speculates, the more folks that visit their site. The Dispatch is getting national eyeballs on their webpages. How wonderful for them.

Tressel's resignation right now will lead to nothing but more heartache and I would be surprised if it is warranted anyway. Ohio State coaches and players need to get their heads into the coming season.

Auburn is catching [Mark May]. Justifiably. You are catching [Mark May]. Justifiably. Had it happened to UF the way it happened to tOSU, you would be screaming for Meyer's firing, and condemning UF as a dirty program for not firing him as soon as it learned that he lied and hid violations that allowed ineligible players to keep playing.

And had it happened to UF the majority of Gators would be circling the wagons, denying it, defending it, trying to compartmentalize it, forgiving it, claiming victim status because of it, and otherwise saying the type of stuff that pops up every day here on BP. But much worse.

BP is a far better board with more intelligent posters than any of the other boards I've visited, hence the curse of my hanging around like a fruit fly buzzing your Makers Mark Old Fashioned at a nice restaurant.

Until now I have steadfastly maintained that Tress should stay. I've now changed my mind, as it is clear to me that he will get a show cause and/or a year suspension by an NCAA determined to make somebody pay to get better PR for the NCAA - and that the continued employment of Tress - when coupled with the poorly handled PR efforts - have, sadly, made his presence more of a liability than an asset to the institution. Part it is due to his violation, part of it is the way it was handled, and part of it is the great misfortune to have occurred right when Cam did his thing and, after Bush did his thing....and the bad timing to be in this mess when Mark Emmert says:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6522478

A lifetime of good can be seemingly erased by one bad decision. A strong marriage and family can be destroyed by only one act of cheating after decades of fidelity. A brilliant business or political career ruined by one fudged expense account discovery. Tress' legacy is now more of a side issue, as the mere fact of his continued presence invites cynics to attack and probe tOSU for other wrong doings. I was hoping he could stay and grow from his mistakes. I now think that his presence will now do more harm than good to your future because his retention is seen by a growing majority as proof of institutional immorality. The truth or lack thereof of that view is ultimately of diminishing concern

 

[Gatorubet]

If we find out that he is corrupt or they hold crippling sanctions over our head thats when its time to go

I think Emmert will make an example of Tress, and as unfair as it may be considering the wide number of much worse instances and men to go after, the press has made his taking down Tress a priority. I think the truth of the belief is less important than the fact it is believed. So that is my guess.

The statement by Emmert made me change my mind. It had nothing at all to do with Tress, who I still think would be a great coach into the OSU future. I just don't think they will let it happen now. I am now convinced that Tress will become a scapegoat for the sins of the NCAA and other programs, because of his degree of fame and reputation.

 

[3074326]

If all he did is out..... the only thing that would be embarassing is folding because of embarassment. Many of us are getting swept up in wild speculation and listening to the dick heads that hate Tress and want a lynching because he reminds them of a smug nerd that was smarter than them and knew it in high school....the other folks want blood because they have recieved a decade of beat downs... If we find out that he is corrupt or they hold crippling sanctions over our head thats when its time to go

Embarrassment isn't really what I'm concerned about, punishment is.

Had a typo in my post, meant to say punishment or embarrassment, not punishment of embarrassment.

 

[BB73]

Auburn is catching [Mark May]. Justifiably. You are catching [Mark May]. Justifiably. Had it happened to UF the way it happened to tOSU, you would be screaming for Meyer's firing, and condemning UF as a dirty program for not firing him as soon as it learned that he lied and hid violations that allowed ineligible players to keep playing.

Simply not true at all.















He quit already - if you spent less time on BP you'd be more current on Gator news.

 

[Gatorubet]

Simply not true at all.

he quit already

Pffffttt... he quits all the time at UF. If you want to believe he is gone and some Georgia grad is now our coach, have at it. :crazy:

But I am now firmly in the camp of you are going to get screwed even though you are not the worst offenders. Jesus, you guys were right all along....who'd a thunk it.

 

[Steve19]

I think Emmert will make an example of Tress, and as unfair as it may be considering the wide number of much worse instances and men to go after, the press has made his taking down Tress a priority. I think the truth of the belief is less important than the fact it is believed. So that is my guess.

The statement by Emmert made me change my mind. It had nothing at all to do with Tress, who I still think would be a great coach into the OSU future. I just don't think they will let it happen now. I am now convinced that Tress will become a scapegoat for the sins of the NCAA and other programs, because of his degree of fame and reputation.

OK. That's your opinion. I think we all got that.

So, let's get this straight.

You believe that Tressel will get a show cause and a one-year suspension.

And you state your reasons why.

Okey dokey. Got it.

I think that Tressel could get up to a year's suspension but I think that it is much less likely than you do, because I think that a lot of these new allegations and this attempt to create an atmosphere of tainted goods around Ohio State will be shown to be greatly over-stated.

Gibson's car? Let's see.

But why is this such a big thing in your life? On the way to 400 posts across the various threads on this topic. On the message board of a team you don't even support? More than any other poster, by far? Surely, you realize that you aren't really going to change anyone's mind about this issue, so what's up?

Have you thought about why you would feel the need to make so many posts? I mean, are you really posting about Ohio State or are you projecting your disappointment in your own program and its ex-coach?

 

[Bucklion]

Do you some of you guys really think that this matter would die down if Jim Tressel resigned? Isn't the reality that it would accelerate?

Let's not be naive. The press, including the Columbus Dispatch, are in this for the revenue that the issue creates. The more everyone speculates, the more folks that visit their site. The Dispatch is getting national eyeballs on their webpages. How wonderful for them.

When the floodgates are open, it's easy to forget that there's a lot of water still to go over the dam. I think that the press are caught in a pissing contest to see who can breathlessly talk the most unsubstantiated crap.

So, please, let's all not go out on the ledge. Let's wait and see what the NCAA really finds, not what every media hack writes.

I think that we can all agree that the players and coach will not look back on this as the Kodak moment of their careers. That said, attempts to paint Ohio State as a rogue sports administration clandestinely breaking rules at every opportunity is a lot of nonsense.

Does anyone who has had anything to do with Ohio State as a player, sports administrator, or faculty member really believe that there's 50 car deals and the like that have been done under the table? Well, I don't. If the NCAA finds evidence that there has been such skullduggery, then I will be among the first calling for more than Tressel's resignation.

But, in the meantime, there is this issue about water. And the dam.

Tressel's resignation right now will lead to nothing but more heartache and I would be surprised if it is warranted anyway. Ohio State coaches and players need to get their heads into the coming season.

OK, I get this argument, but...are more people really buying the Dispatch because of the Tressel stuff? I have my doubts.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

OK, I get this argument, but...are more people really buying the Dispatch because of the Tressel stuff? I have my doubts.

More hits on their web site? Pulitzer prize just like the Dallas star for their coverage of SMU? ESPN citing them as a source?

 

[matcar]

OK. That's your opinion. I think we all got that.

So, let's get this straight.

You believe that Tressel will get a show cause and a one-year suspension.

And you state your reasons why.

Okey dokey. Got it.

I think that Tressel could get up to a year's suspension but I think that it is much less likely than you do, because I think that a lot of these new allegations and this attempt to create an atmosphere of tainted goods around Ohio State will be shown to be greatly over-stated.

Gibson's car? Let's see.

But why is this such a big thing in your life? On the way to 400 posts across the various threads on this topic. On the message board of a team you don't even support? More than any other poster, by far? Surely, you realize that you aren't really going to change anyone's mind about this issue, so what's up?

Have you thought about why you would feel the need to make so many posts? I mean, are you really posting about Ohio State or are you projecting your disappointment in your own program and its ex-coach?

Prolly 'cause after years of some on this board (not necessarily you) telling others that "we and our coach are above all that type of behavior" that it's time to eat that crow...

 

[Steve19]

OK, I get this argument, but...are more people really buying the Dispatch because of the Tressel stuff? I have my doubts.

"Be not of those who doubt!"

The printed editions of newspapers almost run at a loss these days, and the Dispatch has been laying off newsroom staff since 2007.

link

The focus is on growing online revenue (e.g., see this video on their strategy, posted by the consultant they hired to assist them.

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Their growth is limited to the 1 million local market, except when they get a rare chance to tell a local story that the national reader might want to see. Take a look at their online traffic to the sports pages on the website. That's where the money is being made!

Dispatch media kit gives an overview of their advertising products. They team up with yahoo to provide behavioral targeting. You know, like for sports fans. The Dispatch has more than 30 websites on which they market products (see about 5:30 mark of the video above).

I'm not complaining about their strategy. It's probably getting advertising dollars. Integrity? You decide what their goals might be.

 

[Steve19]

Prolly 'cause after years of some on this board (not necessarily you) telling others that "we and our coach are above all that type of behavior" that it's time to eat that crow...

No, you don't need to make nearly 400 posts to make that point. And, if anyone thinks for a moment that the University of Florida or Urban Meyer can stand on any soapboxes, well, then I think that person really needs to get out more often.

Isn't Florida where Cam was caught cheating but allowed to slink out the door prior to prosecution under University rules. Wasn't a player dismissed after his third arrest just last week? Weren't 27 players arrested a total of 30 times during Urban Meyer's tenure as coach at Florida? And what was Mr Meyer's record at Florida without Tim Tebow? Isn't that where Taz was running down the road shooting off his rounds?

I am not saying that Gatorubet is not welcome here. I'm saying that he really needs to sit down and think about why he spends so much time and effort lecturing morals over here and posting on this issue, when there are far greater problems at home.

Guilty of this minor offense or not, I'd be delighted to turn my kid over to Coach Tressel any day.

 

[OSUK]

so you don't beleive it to be wholly true but you are willing to axe him based on perceptioin? Screw the media and what they perceive. Decisions are made based on facts. Whether he goes are not, we are a "dirty" program for the foreseeable future. Might as well be a "dirty" program with the best coach in the business.

If new allegations come to the surface that JT is directly involved in, then it is a different story. To me the car stuff isn't hung around JTs neck, especially since the compliance department supposedly already reviewed them and found no violations. If they re-review them and find violations than the entire athletic department is crooked and tatgate is the least of our concerns.

I don't believe that it is accurate that Tressel is dirty and runs a corrupt program, but that is the media template. The point you seemed to miss is that I believe every problem, accusation, rumor, etc. (that would otherwise not be a big deal) is going to be reported and interpreted in a negative light. There will be a cumulative effect of that, and it will hurt the university and the program.

I do believe that Coach Tressel lied/covered up known NCAA violations and played guys that would have been ineligible had he done the reporting that he was required to do. You can't put lipstick on that pig. Those are major violations and the fall out is going to be major.

You can say, "screw the media", but they buy ink by the barrell and they control the perception of people and things. They build some things and people up and they tear them down by wielding their power to control perception in a negative way.

While none of that is necessarily right or fair, it is the way it is. And the truth is that Tressel put himself in the position to have them come after him. If he walks down to the compliance office and hands over the emails, the story is about the Tat 5 (or 6), and not primarily about Tressel - and the program would not be in peril.

And the other major point I was implying is that there will be more allegations - lots of them - true or fabricated - it won't matter. Eventually there will be a pile of stink that will have to be removed.

If you are right, and Tressel can ride it out, then I'm fine with that. I think he's a great man and coach with outstanding character - with his Tat 5 actions being abberant and the exception to his character. But it doesn't matter what I think because I don't control state or national perception. I'm just throwing my pebble into the pond of BuckeyePlanet.

 

[Gatorubet]

ISSUE #1
I dunno. Seems like some minds are pretty much in a different place than they were a month or two ago. Since March 8th I have unwaveringly supported Tressel as being retained, thinking it clear that his good points overwhelm the negative. I finally read the Emmert article today. It hit me that this was a sea-change in NCAA policy brought about by negative press over the highly publicized and criticized Cam matter - and the equally criticized and publicized Tressel issue. They have to pound somebody now. There is a problem with that. Cam's mischief is still buried a-la-Reggie Bush. It took five years or so to ferret that out. Tress, OTOH, has already admitted enough to hang himself by virtue of tOSU self report.

Time is of the essence for Emmert to show the world some sort of bull-[Mark May] "get tough" stance. Who can fill that scapegoat role quickly? Tress and Pearl are the logical picks. If he is to be the scapegoat for an incompetent and inconsistent NCAA, then it is better if he not be at the helm when that goes down. Me saying Tress should not stay is a big change, from those 400 posts you reference, all supporting his retention as coach.

ISSUE #2
I post lots of posts because I am a verbose blow hard of a poster who likes this site in spite of whether it likes me. That, plus I continue to ignore the good advice of on-line friends and tone it down. My only saving grace is not posting my drivel on the Stands With thread. That, and no matter what I post, it's because I really think it, and not saying it to suck up - or saying it to intentionally insult you.

ISSUE #3
You "would be surprised if it (resignation) is warranted." Your general tone is that things are not that bad, and the things admittedly done are not that bad, and so people should not get worked up. No offense Steve, but...why are you posting that on the "not all in" thread? Surely, you realize that you aren't really going to change anyone's mind about this issue, so what's up?:p

The good news is that I was convinced that FSU would get hammered, said it on Gator Country, and wound up as wrong as you could get wrong. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

 

[knapplc]

OK. That's your opinion. I think we all got that.

So, let's get this straight.

You believe that Tressel will get a show cause and a one-year suspension.

And you state your reasons why.

Okey dokey. Got it.

I think that Tressel could get up to a year's suspension but I think that it is much less likely than you do, because I think that a lot of these new allegations and this attempt to create an atmosphere of tainted goods around Ohio State will be shown to be greatly over-stated.

Gibson's car? Let's see.

But why is this such a big thing in your life? On the way to 400 posts across the various threads on this topic. On the message board of a team you don't even support? More than any other poster, by far? Surely, you realize that you aren't really going to change anyone's mind about this issue, so what's up?

Have you thought about why you would feel the need to make so many posts? I mean, are you really posting about Ohio State or are you projecting your disappointment in your own program and its ex-coach?

I don't get why you're questioning ubet's time on BP. I've only really been active here for a few weeks and already I can tell it's several notches above most message boards out there. Maybe you don't visit a lot of boards so you don't know what you have here. You should. It's a wasteland out there. When you find an oasis, you return.



As for ubet's involvement in this conversation... prolly it's because this is the biggest conversation in college sports right now. I've been involved, mostly to commiserate, but I can't be accused of being an OSU supporter either. This is one of the most active threads on any board I belong to, about a subject I care deeply about, concerning a legendary team and a high-profile coach. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise why people are here, even those of us who aren't Buckeye fans.


I get that it's uncomfortable to be going through this, and I genuinely feel for you guys. I've been there (Nebraska, mid-90s) and it's no fun. But you're not going to get away from fans of other schools talking about this, and unless you close up shop to us foreigners, you're going to have to see our opinions, too. Sucks, but it's life.