I am not all in

[SmoovP]

Simply not true at all.















He quit already - if you spent less time on BP you'd be more current on Gator news.

BOOM.



Roasted.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

BOOM.

Muschamp'd.

FIFY

 

[SmoovP]

I don't get why you're questioning ubet's time on BP. I've only really been active here for a few weeks and already I can tell it's several notches above most message boards out there. Maybe you don't visit a lot of boards so you don't know what you have here. You should. It's a wasteland out there. When you find an oasis, you return.



As for ubet's involvement in this conversation... prolly it's because this is the biggest conversation in college sports right now. I've been involved, mostly to commiserate, but I can't be accused of being an OSU supporter either. This is one of the most active threads on any board I belong to, about a subject I care deeply about, concerning a legendary team and a high-profile coach. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise why people are here, even those of us who aren't Buckeye fans.


I get that it's uncomfortable to be going through this, and I genuinely feel for you guys. I've been there (Nebraska, mid-90s) and it's no fun. But you're not going to get away from fans of other schools talking about this, and unless you close up shop to us foreigners, you're going to have to see our opinions, too. Sucks, but it's life.

I agree.

I don't get the "it's not your team so STFU" mindset.

It's a discussion board, open to anyone who lives within the board rules. As far as I can tell, GatorBoy is well within the rules.

We're having a discussion about a topic of interest to all college football fans, and one of the things that makes this topic so interesting - even to those who aren't OSU-first fans - is the the conflict between the OSU reputation for doing things the right way and what appears to be --- not doing things the right way.

OSU is a perennial top-five program that is in what appears to me to be a sort of existential crisis. Will OSU do the 'right' thing, or prove to be just another football factory that behaves like those schools some of its fans like to look down their noses at? Will the same OSU fans that love to bludgeon SEC schools over anything that they perceive to be less than the standard perceived to be set by OSU demand that OSU live up to them, or will they make excuses, justify, rationalize and deflect?

I find that very interesting. And as a college football fan, I have opinions.

The width, depth and breadth of opinions here on BP, expressed with respect and good humor for the most part, is an exceedingly rare thing on AlGore's internets. You guys have built a great, great message board, and one of the things that makes it so great is that people like GatorBoy can come in here and bloviate to his heart's content and not get runoft.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I agree.

I don't get the "it's not your team so STFU" mindset.

It's a discussion board, open to anyone who lives within the board rules. As far as I can tell, GatorBoy is well within the rules.

We're having a discussion about a topic of interest to all college football fans, and one of the things that makes this topic so interesting - even to those who aren't OSU-first fans - is the the conflict between the OSU reputation for doing things the right way and what appears to be --- not doing things the right way.

OSU is a perennial top-five program that is in what appears to me to be a sort of existential crisis. Will OSU do the 'right' thing, or prove to be just another football factory that behaves like those schools some of its fans like to look down their noses at? Will the same OSU fans that love to bludgeon SEC schools over anything that they perceive to be less than the standard perceived to be set by OSU demand that OSU live up to them, or will they make excuses, justify, rationalize and deflect?

I find that very interesting. And as a college football fan, I have opinions.

The width, depth and breadth of opinions here on BP, expressed with respect and good humor for the most part, is an exceedingly rare thing on AlGore's internets. You guys have built a great, great message board, and one of the things that makes it so great is that people like GatorBoy can come in here and bloviate to his heart's content and not get runoft.

I think its fair to point out while respecting Ubet and willing to have a beer with him it can seem at times because of the amount of posts he has made on this topic with the amount of passion, he has shown what some may construe as schadenfreude...it seems like he is enjoying watching a car wreck at times....while we (Ohio State fans)watch someone we have deemed as a legend and an all time great being crucified for the sins of college football...or maybe he is a mobster i dunno... either way it hurts to watch

 

[BB73]

I've been there (Nebraska, mid-90s) and it's no fun.

Yeah, the mid-90s, including MNCs in '94, '95, and '97 must have really been rough for Nebraska fans.








Yeah, I do remember L. Phillips and C, Peter.

 

[buckiprof]

I think its fair to point out while respecting Ubet and willing to have a beer with him it can seem at times because of the amount of posts he has made on this topic with the amount of passion he has shown what some may construe as schadenfreude...it seems like he is enjoting watching a car wreck at times....while we (Ohio State fans)watch someone we have deemed as a legend and an all time great being crucified for the sins of college football...or maybe he is a mobster i dunno... either way it hurts to watch

I think that this post comes close to being spot on for many folks. I have to admit that at times I have found the sheer number of Gator's posts in this thread to be interesting. But as Gator admits, he is somewhat of a verbose blowhard poster at times. Still, I would rather have what may be perceived as too many posts by him than have him feel that he needs to not post.

Besides, when Gator goes into one of his infamous wall of text posts does anyone really read them?

 

[BUCKYLE]

I think that this post comes close to being spot on for many folks. I have to admit that at times I have found the sheer number of Gator's posts in this thread to be interesting. But as Gator admits, he is somewhat of a verbose blowhard poster at times. Still, I would rather have what may be perceived as too many posts by him than have him feel that he needs to not post.

Besides, when Gator goes into one of his infamous wall of text posts does anyone really read them?

Of course not.

 

[MaxBuck]

bloviate

A great word. God bless you, sir for using it so well.

 

[Steve19]

I don't get why you're questioning ubet's time on BP. I've only really been active here for a few weeks and already I can tell it's several notches above most message boards out there. Maybe you don't visit a lot of boards so you don't know what you have here. You should. It's a wasteland out there. When you find an oasis, you return.



As for ubet's involvement in this conversation... prolly it's because this is the biggest conversation in college sports right now. I've been involved, mostly to commiserate, but I can't be accused of being an OSU supporter either. This is one of the most active threads on any board I belong to, about a subject I care deeply about, concerning a legendary team and a high-profile coach. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise why people are here, even those of us who aren't Buckeye fans.


I get that it's uncomfortable to be going through this, and I genuinely feel for you guys. I've been there (Nebraska, mid-90s) and it's no fun. But you're not going to get away from fans of other schools talking about this, and unless you close up shop to us foreigners, you're going to have to see our opinions, too. Sucks, but it's life.

Thanks for the comments about the site. As one of the moderators, playing a small role, I am very proud of what folks accomplish here. There are nights when folks work pretty hard around here behind the scenes, especially the administrators.

You miss my implied point, which is that we're not going through anything. If someone at Ohio State does something untoward, then they pay the price, not me. It doesn't affect the value of my degree. I don't go through anything.

The coach of the football team that we support, and five of his players, have admitted breaking certain NCAA rules. They're going through something.

And let's be straight about what they did in comparison to some of the teams supported by other posters here. The players and coach didn't shoot anything up. They didn't beat up any girlfriends. They didn't break into people's homes and rob them or burgle them. They didn't gang up on some scrawny kid and kick the bejeebers out of him.

They sold a few things (on which I seem to place more value than they did), got some tats and, in the case of the coach, did not report the wrongdoing right away. After their transgressions, they didn't erase emails, cover their tracks, call anyone and tell them to lie or sign anyone to confidentiality agreements to buy their silence. There seems to be some dispute whether they told everything, but that is pure speculation right now and the folks doing the speculating have a lot to gain from doing so.

So, yeah, I'm getting rather tired of these wild assumptions and aspersions being cast toward Ohio State. I don't think any of us ran to Florida boards to laugh at their sad litany of arrests or their coach's extended farewell tour. And, no, I do not believe he will coach at Ohio State.

The difference that I see between these players and Florida players is that the Buckeyes did not break any laws and, by all accounts, otherwise they seem to be doing great off the field, especially in the classroom.

So, what are we supposed to be "going through"? Endless speculation by a bunch of media charlatans who want to sell advertising? Who told anyone to shutup? Biggest story in sports? Do you really believe that?

Your comment about the quality of this message board mirrors what most of us feel and why we come here. I'd like to think that the quality you perceive is because there is a balance between letting folks speak their minds and stopping people from bashing the players and coaches.

What I asked, and it is a relevant question, is for one poster who is making so many posts about this topic to consider his motivations. My perception is that there is so much to post about concerning his own team at home. I'm sure that he could make a real hit on the Florida boards by posting a couple of hundred posts to discuss the infractions of his own team off the field.

Consider that, as of right now, he has 96 posts in this thread and 220 in the Yahoo and etc thread. Just in those two threads, that's 5 posts a day since the threads started and 1 of every 11 posts made on this topic (among his posts in other threads on the topic). Now consider that this is a board with 1,748 active members and more than 22,000 overall.

No one is telling anyone to shut up. But can there really be much more to say on this topic before the NCAA rules or new, factual information comes to light? You decide.

 

[BB73]

I think that this post comes close to being spot on for many folks. I have to admit that at times I have found the sheer number of Gator's posts in this thread to be interesting. But as Gator admits, he is somewhat of a verbose blowhard poster at times. Still, I would rather have what may be perceived as too many posts by him than have him feel that he needs to not post.

Besides, when Gator goes into one of his infamous wall of text posts does anyone really read them?

Unfortunately, some poor bastard has to.

 

[Gatorubet]

But can there really be much more to say on this topic before the NCAA rules or new, factual information comes to light? You decide.

Yet, in light of that, you deemed your recent offering valuable enough to came to the I'm not all in thread and pump some sunshine.

Posters. Always postin' and [Mark May].

Emmert's quote was new to me. It, in fact, changed my opinion of the last two months, not that anyone should or does give a shit.

So I did what I do.

 

[knapplc]

Steve19 - I'm not sure where you're getting the impression I think you told Gator to shut up, or even stop posting. I know you're not "going after" him, if that's the concern.

I think your assessment of the situation is a little forgiving towards Tressel's actions. The terms you're using, "in the case of the coach, did not report the wrongdoing right away," and " There seems to be some dispute whether they told everything," appear to me to be minimizing the issue: That Coach Tressel knowingly lied to the NCAA, knowingly withheld information from them and knowingly played players who should have been ineligible.

Why would you do that? My answer is the answer to your question, 'So, what are we supposed to be "going through"?' If I have any ability to empathize at all, I would suggest you're going through a painful period wherein the coach you hold in high esteem of the school to which you are undyingly loyal appears to have put himself in a position for which there may be no alternative but to terminate him. This would bring disgrace on him, on the school, and vicariously to the fans, of which you are one.

Fans often include a measure of self-pride in the loyalty they have for a team, and you, seeing yourself as an honorable and good person, feel a measure of dismay over these actions. That's my guess of not only your reaction, but the reaction of many fans right now, and I base that on the feelings I and many Husker fans had during the 1990s when Nebraska was (justifiably, at times, others not) raked over the coals for their transgressions. It was terribly unpleasant, and I would not have enjoyed the discussions with other fans had message boards been as readily available then as they are now.

To finish, you asked, "...can there really be much more to say on this topic before the NCAA rules...?" The answer is no. But of course that doesn't mean the discussion will die. I am not joking when I say there are no bigger stories in college football right now than this. What else would we talk about? Boise's issues? Sure, they're worth a mention. Where Russell Wilson ends up? Not even remotely an issue. Instead, you have a great institution, one of the very pillars of college football, and one of the most well-respected coaches in all of football, and the big story is the scandal they're involved in.

It's not fair, it's not right, but it's reality.

Please don't think I'm coming down on you for your questioning of Gator. You have as much right to ask the questions you're asking as he has to post what he's posting. I suppose I stepped in the middle of it (perhaps unwisely) because I thought the answer was self-evident. It's not often I'm accused of having too much common sense.

Or of being concise, for that matter.

 

[Gatorubet]

Steve19 - I'm not sure where you're getting the impression I think you told Gator to shut up, or even stop posting. I know you're not "going after" him, if that's the concern.

I think your assessment of the situation is a little forgiving towards Tressel's actions. The terms you're using, "in the case of the coach, did not report the wrongdoing right away," and " There seems to be some dispute whether they told everything," appear to me to be minimizing the issue: That Coach Tressel knowingly lied to the NCAA, knowingly withheld information from them and knowingly played players who should have been ineligible.

Why would you do that? My answer is the answer to your question, 'So, what are we supposed to be "going through"?' If I have any ability to empathize at all, I would suggest you're going through a painful period wherein the coach you hold in high esteem of the school to which you are undyingly loyal appears to have put himself in a position for which there may be no alternative but to terminate him. This would bring disgrace on him, on the school, and vicariously to the fans, of which you are one.

Fans often include a measure of self-pride in the loyalty they have for a team, and you, seeing yourself as an honorable and good person, feel a measure of dismay over these actions. That's my guess of not only your reaction, but the reaction of many fans right now, and I base that on the feelings I and many Husker fans had during the 1990s when Nebraska was (justifiably, at times, others not) raked over the coals for their transgressions. It was terribly unpleasant, and I would not have enjoyed the discussions with other fans had message boards been as readily available then as they are now.

To finish, you asked, "...can there really be much more to say on this topic before the NCAA rules...?" The answer is no. But of course that doesn't mean the discussion will die. I am not joking when I say there are no bigger stories in college football right now than this. What else would we talk about? Boise's issues? Sure, they're worth a mention. Where Russell Wilson ends up? Not even remotely an issue. Instead, you have a great institution, one of the very pillars of college football, and one of the most well-respected coaches in all of football, and the big story is the scandal they're involved in.

It's not fair, it's not right, but it's reality.

Please don't think I'm coming down on you for your questioning of Gator. You have as much right to ask the questions you're asking as he has to post what he's posting. I suppose I stepped in the middle of it (perhaps unwisely) because I thought the answer was self-evident. It's not often I'm accused of having too much common sense.

Or of being concise, for that matter.

And, since I agree with this 100% after reading it, it makes me pause to realize how discussing it all is painful for many to do. And doubly so when much of the content is not from a member of the "family" - as Kyle points out. But I do know how to gloat - and nothing about my discussions was meant to do that, no matter how insensitive to the distress of others on this issue I may be.

 

[osugrad21]

But I do know how to gloat - and nothing about my discussions was meant to do that, no matter how insensitive to the distress of others on this issue I may be.

You ever find that plastic cup of $9 screwtop wine?

Gloating bastard.

 

[Mike80]

Embarrassment isn't really what I'm concerned about, punishment is.

Had a typo in my post, meant to say punishment or embarrassment, not punishment of embarrassment.

The punishments aren't going to lessen on the university because Tressel is gone. We'll see what happens, but any punishment the team or university incurs won't lessen because they have a new coach.