I am not all in

[Tlangs]

...I dont think we can wait a year or so and see what happens and maintain respectability across the nation.

This isn't going to change whether or not JT is fired. If they were going to fire him, they would have done it months ago. If they fire him now, it looks like a tactic to avoid penalties. Nothing has changed in the last two months except a hearing date is set.

 

[BUCKYLE]

The line of thinking that leads people to believe JT should be fired to avoid further negative media attention is the same line of thinking that says you should throw rocks at your sister until she dies if she is raped. Because what's important is, we don't want people talking shit about us.

 

[Tlangs]

The line of thinking that leads people to believe JT should be fired to avoid further negative media attention is the same line of thinking that says you should throw rocks at your sister until she dies if she is raped. Because what's important is, we don't want people talking shit about us.

I think I am an objective person. I think I am capable of removing the scarlet glasses. I just can't understand how this letter from the NCAA could change someone's mind from the "Tressel was wrong but let him serve out whatever punishment he is given" to "Fire him now".


I understand why the "Fire him" crowd still thinks he should be fired after this letter was receied. I understand that opinion and would never try to argue that he shouldn't be fired. If he is fired, I won't be up in arms. I still think that situation is the exact same as the day of the presser. Gee and Smith said he won't be fired, and unless new allegations arise, he is safe. If lack of institutional control or failure to monitor was in that letter, I would have changed camps.

 

[OhioExile]

This isn't going to change whether or not JT is fired. If they were going to fire him, they would have done it months ago. If they fire him now, it looks like a tactic to avoid penalties. Nothing has changed in the last two months except a hearing date is set.

To me the university has given Coach Tressel due process for the investigation to go on about the allagations. After the facts come to light then they make a decision on his future with the program. There is no firing to stop NCAA penalties...if u dont have your head in the sand u know that the whole 2010 season is gonna be vacated no matter what happens. Its a shame too...not fielding those players we still would have had a chance at a good season.

 

[smithlabs]

As much as it pains me to say it..Coach Tressel needs to step down soon... How can Coach Tressel go into players parents homes and say he has their kids best interests in mind when he is a known liar? ...I dont think we can wait a year or so and see what happens and maintain respectability across the nation.

I have never been a fan of throwing anybody under the bus for public image. I would throw my ex under the bus because she's a bitch but not for public image but your first point is the key one. If Tressel was in your living room would you respect him and trust him that he has your kid's best interest in mind? NOTHING about this situation says he wasn't looking after the kids. He put the kids above all else. Did he make the right choice - no. Did he look after the kid's best interest - yes. Did he act with integrity wrt the kids - I believe so. Say what you want about compliance because it's obvious that he broke the rules but I do not believe for a second that he doesn't have the kid's best interest in mind.

 

[alexhortdog95]

The school isn't going to fire the guy (unless the NCAA suggests it midway through the season after the August 12th meeting), so fans from other schools can stop whining about "fire this guy".

I don't WANT the man fired. But I do think that he should resign, only because his character has been so tarnished in all of this. When you lose trust in such a high visibility position, you start to affect other things. Recruiting, media scrutiny, and so on. People start second guessing all your decision making. Eventually, it will spread to the field, and decisions he makes in games.

If he really loves the school, he won't start the season as head coach (based on the August 12th meeting). But, as much as he loves the school....he has to do what is best for his FAMILY...and I don't mean tOSU family, either.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The line of thinking that leads people to believe JT should be fired to avoid further negative media attention is the same line of thinking that says you should throw rocks at your sister until she dies if she is raped. Because what's important is, we don't want people talking shit about us.

Well what the fuck else are you supposed to do but stone the dirty whore?

People are so PC these days. When I was a kid that's how people handled their business. If your sister went out and shamed the family you just got rid of her, everyone in town understood, it was perfectly acceptable.

I mean for Christ sake look at the Andy Griffith show, why do you think Andy didn't have a wife and Opie didn't have a sister? Because the folks in Mayberry knew how to take care of an unclean bitch, that's why! Go watch the opening sequence, Andy is training Opie to throw rocks right up front. Did you really think he had nothing better to do than skip rocks on a pond? I mean who does that? It kills me when I hear younger people talk about us older guys skipping rocks on a pond when we were kids. They honestly think we were just fucking around and throwing rocks for fun. Dumbasses.

I'll let you in on another little secret; Aunt Bee lived to a ripe old age for two reasons 1)she knew how to keep her legs crossed and 2) she made good pies.

I know its frowned on today but that's just how they rolled back then.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The line of thinking that leads people to believe JT should be fired to avoid further negative media attention is the same line of thinking that says you should throw rocks at your sister until she dies if she is raped. Because what's important is, we don't want people talking [Mark May] about us.

No, it's because what's important is that we don't want football coaches who violate NCAA rules, violate their employment contract, lie in signed statements to the NCAA and put the university into a huge national public relations shitstorm through their negligent actions.

 

[BUCKYLE]

No, it's because what's important is that we don't want football coaches who violate NCAA rules, violate their employment contract, lie in signed statements to the NCAA and put the university into a huge national public relations shitstorm through their negligent actions.

Hey, asshole...read it again.

 

[Gatorubet]

Acting like the only reason people are willing to defend Coach Tressel is due to his accomplishment on the football field with a focus against tsun does a disservice to those fans defending him and coach Tressel's accomplishments outside of the realm of football.

An increased focus on academics, community service, a rock solid network with many of the high school coaches and programs in Ohio, as well as a network of support in times of need (see: Ryan Anderson) are just a small fraction of the outstanding work that Coach Tressel has done off the field that has earned him so much support in Buckeye Nation and across the state of Ohio.

Stop pretending like the only reason he has support is due to winning football games. That is not even close to the entire story and pretending like it is is extremely disingenuous and a bogus argument.

This is entirely true. If it were not for the breadth of good that Tressel has done for the program - not just his "W" & "L"s - it might be a different story. But the positive influence on his kids, and the team gpa, and community service all are true. Absolutely f-ing spot-on true. But the same stuff, the father figure, team gpa, Christian, etc, masks - to some - the cold hard reality that he covered up the fact that his star players should have been riding the pine during a BCSNC run, and that the reason given for doing so in the presser looks like a pile of self serving horse crap that only the very naive could swallow. The rest of the sports world is laughing at those 20% who default to believing any little fact that might make their hero turn out to be something he is not - and that is a coach who won't break NCAA rules in order to win. Now, not many rules, to be sure, certainly not all the time, and not even frequently but - and there is almost no doubt - in this case he did continually break a rule so that his star players could play the whole year rather than sit.

The "confidentiality" excuse? Horse [Mark May]. The "I did not know what to do" excuse? Horse [Mark May]. The "I was scared" excuse? I buy that - but scared of losing TP and the rest of his boys for much of 2010. It is OK for Tressel to be [censored]ing human. He is a great coach and a good person. But Tress as the Good Christian Man who would never do anything wrong, a moralist who would not knowingly break a rule for the wrong reason? Give. It. Up.

And, please PLEASE don't fire him. He is, [strike]warts[/strike] humanity revealed, still better than 99%of the coaches in college football. And he has more character in his little finger than Kiffin does in his and Saban's bodies combined.

I still believe that Tressel did what he thought was best for his players. Perhaps not for the "program", but for the kids who made stupid mistakes. The latest news that he contacted an FBI agent only confirms (to me) that he was trying to protect the kids. There will be more to come out. And I think that more and more it will be shown exactly why he did what he did.

In the mean while, I still support him and the program 100%.

Exhibit "A". The agent has already stated that the phone call was not tatgate related and that they talked about some former player or son of a player regarding "how to get in the FBI". Now, everybody who talks with Tress might be lying, and the FBI director and a federal judge about to present Tress with a plaque from a grateful nation for breaking an international drug ring by his silence, and they have recovered the kidnapped blind orphan hostage thanks to Tress violating his NCAA duties and "looking after the kids".....but I doubt it.

Why is so [censored]ing hard to understand that an outstanding coach and otherwise great person made a judgment call that was wrong - but done to win y'all a possible national championship - and your long awaited SEC bowl victory? 'Cause that is what he did. And he would have gotten away with it despite everything, absent some off the wall, after the fact and unforeseen search of his e-mail records. The man was THAT close to getting away with it. If nobody knows, it is just another Big-10 Championship year and a BCS win. Champagne all around.

Ord, even this SEC fan strongly disagrees with firing him. I've been consistent on that view. Even without his wings and halo he is one of the best damn coaches in college football history, and a guy who, for his few warts, is NOT a Barry Switzer, or a shady guy in general, but a great coach and a good man. Now that he is humbled a bit (read: a lot), probably even a better man. Why you would dump him now is a mystery to me. Take the extra penalty, if any, as well deserved, and move on to more Championships and success with your leader, Coach Tressel. And here, on this one narrow topic, this one time, I agree with [strike]party hat forgetter[/strike]Kyle.

[censored] what everybody else thinks.

 

[alexhortdog95]

I think if he's fired you should replace him with this guy:

 

[OhioExile]

I have never been a fan of throwing anybody under the bus for public image. I would throw my ex under the bus because she's a bitch but not for public image but your first point is the key one. If Tressel was in your living room would you respect him and trust him that he has your kid's best interest in mind? NOTHING about this situation says he wasn't looking after the kids. He put the kids above all else. Did he make the right choice - no. Did he look after the kid's best interest - yes. Did he act with integrity wrt the kids - I believe so. Say what you want about compliance because it's obvious that he broke the rules but I do not believe for a second that he doesn't have the kid's best interest in mind.

He put 5 or 6 kids above the other 79...imo

Now the other 79 have to live with their misdeeds.

 

[SmoovP]

Did he look after the kid's best interest - yes.

I respectfully disagree.

Protecting the 'kids' from the consequences of their actions isn't doing them any favors. We all get angry when the 'pampered athlete' gets special treatment simply because they can run fast, throw a ball well, etc. Letting them skate after they knowingly break the rules is a terrible, terrible thing to do for them. It reinforces the idea that they are better than normal people and don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

When my kids break the rules, they have to face the consequences.

Anything less, and I am not living up to my responsibilities as their father.

I have no real opinion if this measures up to a fireable offense for Coach Tressel, but he for sure didn't do them any favors as human beings.

 

[SmoovP]

Acting like the only reason people are willing to defend Coach Tressel is due to his accomplishment on the football field with a focus against tsun does a disservice to those fans defending him and coach Tressel's accomplishments outside of the realm of football.

An increased focus on academics, community service, a rock solid network with many of the high school coaches and programs in Ohio, as well as a network of support in times of need (see: Ryan Anderson) are just a small fraction of the outstanding work that Coach Tressel has done off the field that has earned him so much support in Buckeye Nation and across the state of Ohio.

Stop pretending like the only reason he has support is due to winning football games. That is not even close to the entire story and pretending like it is is extremely disingenuous and a bogus argument.

Perhaps.

But the other side of that coin is that if he had just finished up a couple of 6 win seasons, he'd be toast no matter how much good work he has done off the field.

 

[Tlangs]

Perhaps.

But the other side of that coin is that if he had just finished up a couple of 6 win seasons, he'd be toast no matter how much good work he has done off the field.

see Bruce Pearl and his 30 point loss in the NCAA after losing 8 of last 10 regular season games.