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DaveyBoy;1889646; said:
The only way I see Tressel surviving this mess to coach another game at Ohio State is:

1. hold another press conference and truly come clean on what happened....what his motivation was.....and how he should have acted. No more talking "in circles".

2. step down for 1 year as head coach

3. take the proactive step of initiating a whistleblower program that will see much more public scrutiny in order to avoid the type of discretion/indiscrection that JT was able to use.
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1. Another press conference would not be helpful. The open press conference Q&A setting just isn't JT's strength; it never has been. JT seems to do better in one-on-one interviews, so OSU would be better served to hand-pick a national media member that is respected, could appear impartial, and perhaps could even be sympathetic. If I'm Gene Smith, I'd dial up ESPN and offer them an exclusive, but only if it's Tom Rinaldi.

2. I've stayed out of this until today. After the Hooley threads, the Herbstreit threads, and so forth, I'm of the opinion JT probably just needs to step down as head coach. It's very painful to say that. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for what JT has meant to the team, the University, and even the state. But the fact is that now, and forever moving forward, there is a level of distrust and suspicion. Given the way the fan base has been fractured, it's probably for the best if all parties start over in different directions. OSU football will never, ever get the benefit of the doubt as long as JT remains HC. Each infraction, no matter how minor, will warrant a paragraph of coverage in the national media, followed by twenty more paragraphs recapping all prior transgressions that document a program out-of-control. It may not actually be that way, but that is the treatment OSU is going to get (has gotten since '04) until the day JT is gone. I'm done with it. Let's move on. When your own local media shills like Hooley and Herbstreit are driven off to this point then something here is pretty obviously broken behind the scenes.

3. Don't know about a whistleblower program, but I think the University does need to enact a vehicle registration program, if there isn't one already. Michigan began one in the late '90s after the Mateen Cleaves recruiting incident/car wreck that unraveled the Ed Martin investigation. Ohio State should have something similar. Every athelete should have to register their vehicle, detail how it was acquired, and if purchased from a dealership include the name of the specific dealer that handled the sale/lease. Additionally, every quarter have the athletes sign something that acknowledges if they drove any vehicles that weren't registered with the school and detail any traffic citations. A lot of the BS athletic departments deal with (not just OSU, but all of them) seems to come as a result of players' rides. OSU has had a huge problem in this department for over fifteen years, and it's still being ignored. You can't monitor everything, but the things you can would be extremely simple to do, and I don't have confidence that that's being done. If it is, it's not being done at a satisfactory level.
 
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Dryden;1891868; said:
3. Don't know about a whistleblower program, but I think the University does need to enact a vehicle registration program, if there isn't one already. Michigan began one in the late '90s after the Mateen Cleaves recruiting incident/car wreck that unraveled the Ed Martin investigation. Ohio State should have something similar. Every athelete should have to register their vehicle, detail how it was acquired, and if purchased from a dealership include the name of the specific dealer that handled the sale/lease. Additionally, every quarter have the athletes sign something that acknowledges if they drove any vehicles that weren't registered with the school and detail any traffic citations. A lot of the BS athletic departments deal with (not just OSU, but all of them) seems to come as a result of players' rides. OSU has had a huge problem in this department for over fifteen years, and it's still being ignored. You can't monitor everything, but the things you can would be extremely simple to do, and I don't have confidence that that's being done. If it is, it's not being done at a satisfactory level.
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Until I read the emails, I was all in. I'm still a fan of Jim Tressel the football coach, but I'm pretty disillusioned with the man himself. He didn't do anything particularly wrong in this situation, and I wouldn't want to lump him in with the "cheaters" like Oregon, USC, etc. That being said, Tressel didn't handle the situation well at all. He simply turned a blind eye to a rule violation, but that wasn't the problem. He withheld the truth and attempted to cover up. Tressel kept trying to spin it. The fact that the players went and got tattoos for gear doesn't even bother me that much. It bothers me that they did it when they knew it jeopardized their eligibility, but much less so than how Tressel went about handling the situation. He's a good coach, but he's been trying to cover his own ass. He needs to just man up and take it at this point. Ohio State should punish him, not slap him on the wrist, but figure out a way to punish him without hurting the kids. Maybe a bigger fine would suffice, but the kids have received their punishment for this incident, suspending him for the season would only hurt them.
 
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kn1f3party;1890919; said:
It is without argument that what Tressel has done for The Ohio State University will not be matched for decades. .
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This is the pedestal that I don't believe JT deserves. JT has won some football championships, and he's cleaned up the football team's off field problems (arrests, grad rates, apr). That's it. I can buy that what he's done for the football program "may" not be matched again for decades.

In the overall scheme of The Ohio State University, what he's done is simply not all that significant compared to major donors like Wexner, Ong, Lowrey, Fisher and literally a hundred others or Presidents Jennings and Gee or dozens of faculty members who bring more research funding into the university on an annual basis than the football program earns in a decade.

JT is not bigger than the university. He represents a tiny portion of it, and the university would be exactly where it is today had he never been hired.
 
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Guilty? Not Guilty? Grand Jury Duty Helped!

A few years ago I spent the whole summer or 4 months on Grand Jury Duty. What a help it has been in my life in making and thinking out questions of guilt and innocence!. I hear talking heads of the Media just chastizing Jim Tressel from their perch at a desk thousands of miles away from Columbus, based on what they have " just heard" from a press conference, other pundits, by-lines and comments written. One thing that comes to mind today is that there are always 2 sides to a story.

People would come before the jury with a story that brought tears to our eyes, as they talked about other parties. When the other parties came in and talked to us, we heard what a low-life the initial party was. Facts left out in testimony of both parties came out....how does this effect my thinking on the Tressel case?

Tressel evidently did wrong with non-disclosure...probably a fact. I have to hold my condimnation until I hear ALL testimiony. Am I dissappointed? Sure. I love the man as a coach, and leader of men. Can I pass total judgement on his actions?. No not until all is told and the evidence laid out.......One thing gets old is to still hear peple like Colin Cowherd, PTI,Jim Rome, and other ESPN pundits still getting in jabs on national TV about Tressel......why? Anything to put down the success of OSU is a plus to them.....my self I will wait it out to pass jusgement! I am thankfull for the jury duty training!
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1896459; said:
This is the pedestal that I don't believe JT deserves. JT has won some football championships, and he's cleaned up the football team's off field problems (arrests, grad rates, apr). That's it. I can buy that what he's done for the football program "may" not be matched again for decades.

In the overall scheme of The Ohio State University, what he's done is simply not all that significant compared to major donors like Wexner, Ong, Lowrey, Fisher and literally a hundred others or Presidents Jennings and Gee or dozens of faculty members who bring more research funding into the university on an annual basis than the football program earns in a decade.

JT is not bigger than the university. He represents a tiny portion of it, and the university would be exactly where it is today had he never been hired.
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I think you're both right and wrong. Tressel has done for the football program what few have done in the history of ANY program and because of this has helped bring in a large amount of money and in the process turned a handful of lives around that may otherwise have never had the helping hand to do so.

This is something significant, albeit a smaller part of the big picture, that I honestly can't reasonably believe any arbitrary person who could be put in his spot instead would have done. To say that JT has left a positive legacy and to acknowledge that few men have the talent and character required to do the job he has done in the way that he has done it is not putting him on a pedestal, it's giving due recognition.
 
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The ESPN talking heads do the thing that the do re: Ohio State because they know, as a fan base, we can't stand it when they talk about Ohio State negatively.

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."
 
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Dryden;1891868; said:
After the Hooley threads, the Herbstreit threads, and so forth, I'm of the opinion JT probably just needs to step down as head coach. It's very painful to say that. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for what JT has meant to the team, the University, and even the state. But the fact is that now, and forever moving forward, there is a level of distrust and suspicion. Given the way the fan base has been fractured, it's probably for the best if all parties start over in different directions. OSU football will never, ever get the benefit of the doubt as long as JT remains HC.
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I'm almost to that point, but I'm going to wait and see the final verdict from the NCAA before finalizing it. If the NCAA accepts what is currently in place then I say let's get on with it. That wouldn't warrant resignation in my mind.

If, however, they strip our wins from 2010 and suspend JT for the 2011 season, then it is over in my mind. His reputation would be damaged beyond repair, for at least as long as he stayed at tOSU. It would bring tOSU's reputation down with him as a result, and I would find that unacceptable.

I hope they resolve this issue one way or another soon.
 
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I think is is at least interesting that Gordon Gee, President of Ohio State, who makes 1.6 million dollars per year and Gene Smith, Athletic Director of Ohio State, who makes about 1.1 milllion dollars per year have both unequivically staked their professional reputations to Jim Tressel. It is at least equally interesting that we have not heard one Ohio State recruit for the highly ranked 2011 class lament their choice. We have not heard one of their parents lament their son's choice. We have not had one of the awesome 2012 verbal commitments even waver in their decision. These people, to varying degrees have tied their professional, financial, educational, and football futures to Jim Tressel while the entire print, radio, and television sports media world tell us that the end is nigh for Jim Tressel and that Ohio State's football program is set to be bombed back to the stone age. I'm more than a little curious as to whether all the facts necessary to draw an intelligent conclusion in this saga have been placed in the public domain.
 
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