I am not all in

[localyokel]

I think there's a growing feeling among BP posters that whatever you have to say on this topic has been communicated, and many are no longer interested in reading what you choose to say in those threads. It is of course their option to skip them or ignore them.

BP does have a literal "add to ignore list" option, doesn't it? Never used it, but I remember seeing it somewhere.

Personally, I've mostly enjoyed Gator's posts over the years.

 

[Jaxbuck]

BP does have a literal "add to ignore list" option, doesn't it? Never used it, but I remember seeing it somewhere.

Personally, I've mostly enjoyed Gator's posts over the years.

+1

(even though the dumb hick called me Rainman once)

 

[BB73]

BP does have a literal "add to ignore list" option, doesn't it? Never used it, but I remember seeing it somewhere.

Yes, it's under 'Settings and Options' within 'User CP'. But it doesn't let somebody only ignore posts on a certain topic or just in a single forum.

I'm not trying to run him off the board. I'm just letting him know that a huge amount of content from a non-Buckeye on a single hot, polarizing topic can cause a lot of friction on the boards. It'a a public message to him, after I sent him a private one (which he complied with) a few days ago.

And this thread shouldn't become a discussion of "I like his posts" or "I'm tired of him talking about this".

 

[localyokel]

Which mass media? The "all in" mass media or the "not all in" mass media? They are both out there doin' their respective thing...

Seriously, bro... you need to go consult a dictionary. Faith and loyalty, by definition, do not require either evidence or standards.

Your riff sounds cool, though... as long as one's not too much of an independent thinker.

Seriously.
You're not being "flamey". You're being "spewey".

Feel free to skip ahead. My compulsion to tie up loose ends won out.

Which mass media? The "all in" mass media or the "not all in" mass media? They are both out there doin' their respective thing...

Are you asking me, or the author of the post that I quoted?

...it's kind of disheartening to see some Buckeye fans being swayed by those talking heads and ready to pounce on Coach Tressel...

It seems highly improbable that the author thought that supportive articles in the media had somehow repulsed Buckeye fans and caused them to turn against Coach Tressel. I understood this statement to mean that the only way a true Buckeye fan could possibly criticize JT would be if they had been seduced by negative comments from some talking head. As I am inclined to believe that BP's members are capable of forming their opinions without consulting ESPN, I took exception to the statement.

Seriously, bro... you need to go consult a dictionary. Faith and loyalty, by definition, do not require either evidence or standards.

Fair warning: If you thought I was "spewey" before, you might wanna make a mad dash for a rain slicker and a jumbo umbrella now.

As opposed, I guess, to the truly independent thinkers who grant faith without evidence and loyalty without standards.

It would have been a more accurate expression of my feelings to say "who grant faith and never again question whether it is warranted, and who bestow loyalty and never again measure the character of those who receive it."

Faith and loyalty have no intrinsic value divorced from what they are invested in.

I would have more tolerance on this subject were it not for the parade of horrors that have been spawned by abusers who commanded faith and loyalty but deserved neither.

No shortage of faith and loyalty here:

 

[BUCKYLE]

You know you're being an instigative cockhole, right? Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you got your opinion from ESPN. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me a kool-aid drinking cult member.

 

[SmoovP]

There should be a corollary to Godwin's Law for the Jim Jones post.

 

[Gatorubet]

here here. amen. can i get witness. and [censored]in' a.

You think Urban is a douchebag....so I can ignore you

Koolaid is allowed if it is my flavor.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Koolaid is allowed if it is my flavor.

I believe we're missing the obvious here:

 

[BB73]

I believe we're missing the obvious here:

Tracy Wolfson years ago, before she knew about the Cam juice.

 

[shetuck]

Are you asking me, or the author of the post that I quoted?

You.

Faith and loyalty have no intrinsic value divorced from what they are invested in.

Yep. No intrinsic value. The correct word for that sort of value is "extrinsic".

No shortage of faith and loyalty here:

I'm with Smoov... I'm invoking Godwin's law.

 

[toledoan]

I ended up here at this forum only after seeing one of Yahoo's main news headlines titled
?Relentless? Buckeye fans have driven Kirk Herbstreit from Ohio

A link in that story lead me to "herbie the impaler", berating Herbstreit. Another link led me to another story about Herbstreit's buckeye lashing on bucknuts.com .

Yet another link I found was titled "ESPN famously devoted its broadcast burying the Ohio State football program "
written by Highstreet here on Buckeye planet 3/8/2005.

I bring this up only to warn you now that Herbie will be out of state come September, his Tressel criticisms will be spewing out of his mouth untethered.

My 2 cents about the 2-game suspension is that it will not be enough. More punishment is coming. Remind yourselves just to keep being entertained every fall. Just enjoy watching the team on the field, enjoy the games and hope we keep kicking Michigan's butt, Tressel or No-Tressel.

 

[Mike80]

It seems highly improbable that the author thought that supportive articles in the media had somehow repulsed Buckeye fans and caused them to turn against Coach Tressel. I understood this statement to mean that the only way a true Buckeye fan could possibly criticize JT would be if they had been seduced by negative comments from some talking head. As I am inclined to believe that BP's members are capable of forming their opinions without consulting ESPN, I took exception to the statement.

Fair warning: If you thought I was "spewey" before, you might wanna make a mad dash for a rain slicker and a jumbo umbrella now.

It would have been a more accurate expression of my feelings to say "who grant faith and never again question whether it is warranted, and who bestow loyalty and never again measure the character of those who receive it."

Faith and loyalty have no intrinsic value divorced from what they are invested in.

I would have more tolerance on this subject were it not for the parade of horrors that have been spawned by abusers who commanded faith and loyalty but deserved neither.

No shortage of faith and loyalty here:

What. The. Fuck.

Yeah, let's compare a tragedy to a friggin football coach and his trials and tribulations simply because people are continuing to support the person who made the mistake and will take the punishment.

That's simply a pile of crap. Sorry. The very idea.

 

[Steve19]

What. The. [censored].

Yeah, let's compare a tragedy to a friggin football coach and his trials and tribulations simply because people are continuing to support the person who made the mistake and will take the punishment.

That's simply a pile of crap. Sorry. The very idea.

Mike, I understand how some posters feel not only disappointed but angry with Coach Tressel's behavior. Many fans feel that the actions of their sports teams reflect on the fans. After pointing with pride to the relative lack of wrongdoing at Ohio State, they feel not only betrayed but tarred by the same brush of wrong-doing. It's really a small leap from there to greater suspicions that Tressel's admission of wrongdoing may be an indication that prior allegations of wrong-doing had some basis in truth.

However, I simply cannot go down that road. I don't know about his years at YSU, but prior allegations at Ohio State (e.g., MoC) were investigated thoroughly by the NCAA. Ohio State and Jim Tressel were cleared completely.

Also, we have seen the effects of this coach on his players. Who can deny the transforming effects on Troy Smith? What has happened to the APR ranking? How many players have been arrested at Ohio State since say 2005? Any Ohio State players running around with automatic weapons? Now, compare that performance with Florida, Iowa, USC, Penn State, etc.--is there any comparison?

I don't want to specifically call attention to anyone, but your rsponse to localyokel's post is an opportunity to make a point. Some people need to get some perspective.

I don't think anyone has said that Jim Tressel is without blame, including him. Rather, I think that some posters have said that they believe the entire story is yet to be told. They, and others who accept the facts at face value, appear willing to continue to endorse his tenure as coach at Ohio State. So, it strikes me as incredibly odd that anyone would find a parallel between that viewpoint and the brainwashed souls who tragically committed suicide at gunpoint (or were shot trying to escape) by Jim Jones and his henchmen in Guyana.

Gatorubet can post and gloat all that he likes but his posts can only temporarily divert attention from serious problems at Florida, such as the more than 30 off-field arrests since 2005--a dozen of which involved felonies or violent misdemeanors (I'll spare him the humorous cartoon [link]). Posting about Tressel will not make us forget the strange behavior of a Florida coach who retires suddenly due to health problems when his Tebow disappears and he sees what lies ahead, but magically returns to health in time to hold a recruiting class, but then retires again. SEC fans can make a thousand posts claiming that that the practice of oversigning and the excessive medical hardships are ethical, but it will not convince me that it is so.

None of these arguments will erase my suspicion that SEC stands for Seriously Ethically-Challenged nor will they convince me, on the basis of this one infraction, that Jim Tressel or Ohio State are no different to the SEC.

I would respectfully suggest that many Ohio State fans need to take a step back and get some perspective on this.

 

[Gatorubet]

blah blah blaaa, bla blah!

See, in a once-a-decade rarity, me responding via P.M. after a bash Florida post.

 

[kn1f3party]

I've kind of kept quiet on this matter. Daily I bounce between the related threads to take it all in. I follow some of the media. The conclusion I've come to: take a deep breath everyone. And no, I don't mean to ignore the violation(s) and distract yourself with how tremendous our basketball program is doing right now. I mean to literally take a deep breath and relax.

Inhale.

On one end of this argument we have a minority of people that want Tressel's head on a platter. On the other end we have people ready to sacrifice their first born in defense of our head coach. But I think most fans fall in between and trying to convince the majority of us to accept your firm beliefs as our own just isn't going to work. I can see why people are falling in to these marginalized minorities. It could be personal. We've held him to such a high regard and we find out he is human. It could be professional. He has a job to do and he didn't do it. It could be based on his body of work to date. It is without argument that what Tressel has done for The Ohio State University will not be matched for decades. Regardless, some of you are letting a few things misguide your ability to be objective and rational about all of this. We've had accusations that people hate his offense and this is just an excuse to ax him. We've had others argue those that still support Tressel must worship him and follow his lead like a cult. When is this officially out of hand?

Some things that I think most accept to be fact:

• Tressel behaved improperly.
• We don't know the whole story yet or how extensive this is.
• The NCAA is going to get involved.
• Nobody is bigger than the program.
• Tressel's tenure here has raised the standard for our program.
• We're proud of what our program has become.
• Defense of our program has become exhausting.
• The most vocal media pundits and fans of other teams seem to hate us.

In summation, if the issue at hand here is more far reaching and indicative of Tressel's character flaws he'll get what he has coming to him. Until then, we have to observe how this plays out. I think most fans can accept someone that made a mistake or showed poor judgment in the face of adversity. What I think nobody will accept is habitual violations of the rules and a staff that puts winning above the program. We can't say where things really stand at this point. Most would say closer to the former, but we have to be open to the possibility of the latter. We don't know what the NCAA will decide and ultimately that will be the 'truth' of the matter. If Tressel's tenure is cut short, the Buckeyes will live on. Ohio State fans bleed scarlet and grey. We're one of the most devoted fan bases to our program in the country. We love being Buckeyes and love what Tressel has built. I think many of us feel a personal blow by Tressel here. We have to put up with arguments that we can't win the big ones, that we have a dirty program, that we're slow and fat, etc. Anything our staff does that reinforces these generalizations is only going to wear us out even more. We're clearly biased toward our program. We can continue to view it for what it is: an idea that is bigger than the athletic department, bigger than the coaching staff, bigger than the players. We're talking about an Ohio-sized idea that isn't going to be ruined by any one coach or athletic department. Sure we're taking a beating right now, but they have the ax to grind--not us. One element of this Ohio-sized idea that is clearly in jeopardy is the camaraderie of the fans.

I urge both sides to be more objective and fall in line with the majority of us. Most of us are going to ride this out before we pass judgment. Tressel did something wrong, there is no disputing that. Some of you may be vindicated in the coming weeks/months. But until then, save some face and class. Exchange ideas without breaking your keyboard in a fit of rage at the perceived ignorance of another member.

Everything will be OK.

Exhale.