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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
shetuck;1889313; said:
SmoovP;1889399; said:
The problem with being the only ones who have a less negative view of all this, is that even if you are correct, your view only looks like condoning and justifying bad behavior. When the national narrative becomes negative you can say a lot of things about that (how wrong it is, they don't know the facts, etc), but what you can't say is "People do not look at us like that - they respect us as a clean program that does it the right way, with leaders who emulate those principles."
The very, very sad thing for fans of tOSU, is that it looks like the more general view across the nation is the one expressed in these articles. That leaves three choices for Buck fans. One, do not care what others say or think, support the Bucks and ignore the negative as ignorant buzz. Two, care what others say and think, but support the Bucks and do so with a heavy heart, or three, realize that as long as the perception is what it is, there have to be some changes made before that perception is changed, so support the Bucks while demanding change.
Another thing: this is a tough thing for fans of Tress to accept, but there is a sort of joy about this mess from many who saw Tress as a sort of - I guess - Tebow figure. I used that example to mean a larger than life figure who professes that he lives his life the right way, and in fact that perception is accepted by the person as part of their persona.
Lots of people love Tim and feel that he is incapable of doing anything wrong. Same for Tress. The basis for that belief is the fact that both of them have walked the walk...pretty much. But, for example (and yeah, I know they are light years different in scope, but hang with me a sec..), when Tim "chomped" an OU players late in the 08 NC game, he caught lots of flack from folks - including some here - for doing so. "Look at that hypocrite...poor sportsmanship. What a fake!!" Now, had anyone else done that, it would not have drawn as much attention. It is the fact that the so called Eagle Scout religious in your face kid did something wrong.
I see a similar deal with Tress. His image - as portrayed to the Press and to the fans, and extolled by most all buckeye fans - is that he, unlike the other coaches, was only controlled by higher impulses. That he was a serious Christian whose faith was a part of his life and whose values made him - well - more ethical than other mere coaches who were motivated by winning. So the problem you have with Tress is the same one we will have when the time comes that Tim is found to have gotten drunk, or is found with a stripper, or gets a divorce from his perfect first wife. The public loves to see someone that they think of as "Holier than Thou" being taken down. So you get a bigger "bump" when you have one of those who is liked and doing fine, but you get a higher fall when they do fall.
I think that you are the victim of that. And I think you will continue to be thought of negatively because of what was done and how it was handled. And I think that this will shock and anger many here. And it will be "Haters gonna hate". Which has some value. That is not totally false. But the whole press conference thing was an "F" - or "D" at best if it were graded. And the sad truth is that most of the country do not now buy the image of your program that you have been working under, and that many assume will continue to be the image of your program. I do not think that the former positive image will just bounce back. I think you now have to accept the reality a sort of stain on your rep - deserved or not - until Tress is replaced. Not saying he should be, but i am saying that the "this will blow over when we win the Big-10 in 2011" view is wrong. I think that the general public and press will just say a "new Miami" bent some rules and won again. Which is a damn shame.
I hope I am wrong, but I see more and more stuff on the net and in the press that is forming a consensus that Tress is a better, slicker, more public relations (until recently) savvy Bobby Bowden. I know that y'all do not agree with that opinion, and I am not even trying to advocate that view, but I have to say that I think that is what the national perception is becoming of your football program and of your coach. The two MAC game suspension - when his kids got 5 games - looks really bad. That is what the chatter is about. If the NCAA jumps on it and increases it, it makes you look bad again. I would not be surprised to see Delaney (assuming that the Big-10 commish can hand out extra penalties like Slive can) make a move to head off some of the bad PR.
Again, saying what I think it looks like is not wanting that to happen, and not agreeing that it should. But I think it is a true statement that the days of tOSU being thought of as among the cleaner programs has ended. And you can blame the press, and blame ESPN and the MoC deal, but when the smoke clears, the national image you have will be the image you have, and if that is not the image you necessarily deserve, that fact will be immaterial.
I think Tressel's actions will wind up hurting y'all more than some fans realize. Hope I'm wrong. Often am.
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
Gatorubet;1889599; said:
That would insinuate that I am in some way, shape or form "cool".
Of that, my friend, you are mistaken.
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localyokel
Allergic to Kool-Aid
ORD_Buckeye;1888806; said:
You're entitled to your opinion, ORD, of course. But, I personally find the much more credible explanation to be that the entity at the news conference was not actually JT at all. It was in fact a doppelganger created by reptilian space aliens working in conjunction with the Nazis who have secretly controlled our government since Operation Paperclip imported them here. The whole scandal was fabricated to deflect public attention from Charlie Sheen, whose recent meltdown resulted in his admission (obvious to the most casual observer) that he is in fact actually from outer space. Charlie's premature revelation of his true origin nearly derailed their carefully crafted plan to contaminate all of Earth's drinking water supplies with a DNA-altering chemical that will fill our veins with tiger's blood. After that, the entire world will become just one big plasma donor station. Mars needs tiger's blood and they don't care who they hurt to get it.
Evidence: One alert cameraman caught the faux Tressel as his true reptilian nature momentarily asserted itself.
Most of you traitorous fans were probably too busy yielding to the evil lizardmen's brain-washing to notice.
Look very closely at the eyes.
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localyokel
Allergic to Kool-Aid
Oh8ch;1889640; said:
No, but when the aliens abducted the real JT he was hoisted into their saucer craft by his petard. Sounds painful to me.
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Gatorubet;1889599; said:
Between the 'not all in' and the 'Yahoo' threads, you currently have 120 posts, and some of them are fairly verbose. Only one other poster has at least half of that number of posts in those threads.
I think there's a growing feeling among BP posters that whatever you have to say on this topic has been communicated, and many are no longer interested in reading what you choose to say in those threads. It is of course their option to skip them or ignore them.
I'm not asking you to stop posting on the topic. I'm just making it clear that if you keep doing so at such a high rate, you're bound to piss off a lot of other posters even moreso than some already are. But that's your choice.
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Folks, OSU's reputation has been taking hits for years and will apparently continue to do so into the future. Some of that we just have to accept. This JT issue, however, is being used as proof that OSU was even dirtier than previously believed because JT was supposed to be the great moral counterweight to the negative forces of program improprieties. OSU needs to get further in front of the issue. JT, GS, and GG need to have a real heart to heart discussion about whether or not it's worth it for JT to remain as Head Coach.
The only way I see Tressel surviving this mess to coach another game at Ohio State is:
1. hold another press conference and truly come clean on what happened....what his motivation was.....and how he should have acted. No more talking "in circles".
2. step down for 1 year as head coach
3. take the proactive step of initiating a whistleblower program that will see much more public scrutiny in order to avoid the type of discretion/indiscrection that JT was able to use.
unfortunately, we need to place some weight on public perception here....and that means admitting that this situation was handled much worse than what was admitted at the press conference last week
The only way I see Tressel surviving this mess to coach another game at Ohio State is:
1. hold another press conference and truly come clean on what happened....what his motivation was.....and how he should have acted. No more talking "in circles".
2. step down for 1 year as head coach
3. take the proactive step of initiating a whistleblower program that will see much more public scrutiny in order to avoid the type of discretion/indiscrection that JT was able to use.
unfortunately, we need to place some weight on public perception here....and that means admitting that this situation was handled much worse than what was admitted at the press conference last week
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Gatorubet;1889538; said:
Sounds like a good Vbet.
BTW, my money is on "Filipino boy" but I am a cynical bastard so tifwiw.
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BuckStocksHere
Semper Fi!
here here. amen. can i get witness. and fuckin' a.
enough with the gator nonsense on OUR boards, as I mentioned quite some time ago.
enough with the gator nonsense on OUR boards, as I mentioned quite some time ago.
BB73;1889644; said:
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