Heat-Mavs 2011 NBA Finals

[buckeyesin07]

Peja can't guard anyone on the Heat. I'm not sure he could even guard me at this point.

Not only that--he's 1-5 from three point land in the series.

 

[billmac91]

Not only that--he's 1-5 from three point land in the series.

Peja flat sucks...they'd be better off having him guard Bibby and letting Kidd take Bosh when they're on the court together. And that says a lot about Peja's defense.

But in 8-9 minutes last night Peja had a -14 differential. Just ungodly bad. I don't know why they don't just let Corey Brewer get the minutes and at limit Miami offensively. Peja is a turnstile out there.

And JJ Berea better start playing better as well. He finally put together a few decent minutes last night, but overall has just been terrible finishing plays. He seems to make the right play and then jack it all up at the hoop. If Dallas's bench could even play decent from here out, they still have a chance. I'm not counting on it though...

 

[WolverineMike]

For what it's worth, refcalls.com says that it probably wasn't a backcourt violation

And it goes on for a bit in more detail.

I thought the same thing when I saw the replay. I thought, how can they call a backcourt violation when he caught the ball in midair and landed on the offensive side of the court? Never made sense to me, but I wasn't really looking for excuses to explain Dallas' loss either.

 

[billmac91]

I thought the same thing when I saw the replay. I thought, how can they call a backcourt violation when he caught the ball in midair and landed on the offensive side of the court? Never made sense to me, but I wasn't really looking for excuses to explain Dallas' loss either.

Typically the half-court line is treated as the baseline for example. If you were to step out of bounds on the base-line, come back in-bounds, but never establish position in-bounds it would be a violation.

I think it's difficult to picture what I'm saying, but essentially to receive a pass after standing OB, you need to get a foot in-bounds and establish your position.

The fact that Chalmers caught the ball and then landed in the front-court means he hadn't established position. It sounds like maybe there's another interpretation since it is a half-court line and not base-line/sideline.

 

[dav713]

Typically the half-court line is treated as the baseline for example. If you were to step out of bounds on the base-line, come back in-bounds, but never establish position in-bounds it would be a violation.

I think it's difficult to picture what I'm saying, but essentially to receive a pass after standing OB, you need to get a foot in-bounds and establish your position.

The fact that Chalmers caught the ball and then landed in the front-court means he hadn't established position. It sounds like maybe there's another interpretation since it is a half-court line and not base-line/sideline.

The refs.com post goes on to basically say that the establishing frontcourt/backcourt position isn't in the rule book in this case.

But the rulebook only specifies a player has not attained frontcourt/backcourt status ?until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during (1) a jump ball, (2) a steal by a defensive player, (3) a throw-in in the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period or (4) any time the ball is loose.?

Since none of these 4 situations apply to Chalmers, then we have to throw out the whole argument of Chalmers needing to attain a position in the frontcourt before he catches the ball. That?s clearly not written here.

 

[billmac91]

The refs.com post goes on to basically say that the establishing frontcourt/backcourt position isn't in the rule book in this case.

It seems fairly clear to me though. My interpretation, and the one used by Van Gundy is that:

Haslem established front-court position. He was the player with the ball according to the definition. He threw it to a player who was crossing half-court but never established himself there.

I guess I view it as Haslem establishing the position. If Haslem grabbed a loose-ball and was straddling the half-court line, he could throw it wherever he wants. But if he is in the front-court, and throws to a guy who hasn't crossed the line yet, but is in mid-air coming into the front-court, I see no reason why you wouldn't treat the half-court line like every other line on the court.

Seems like common sense to me....

 

[WolverineMike]

what a shocker that Van Gundy thought it was a violation. Listening to him on commentary is terrible. I'm just waiting for him to start calling Lebon "quitness" at some point. It's so obvious he doesn't like the guy or the Heat......

 

[buckeyesin07]

what a shocker that Van Gundy thought it was a violation. Listening to him on commentary is terrible. I'm just waiting for him to start calling Lebon "quitness" at some point. It's so obvious he doesn't like the guy or the Heat......

Really?

Last night Jeff Van Gundy was horrible. He couldn't say a bad thing about LeBron and the Heat. Why doesn't he just admit his love for the heat?

 

[TooTall]

Holy hell... I'm done posting in the LeBron thread for a bit.

 

[Flocka]

what a shocker that Van Gundy thought it was a violation. Listening to him on commentary is terrible. I'm just waiting for him to start calling Lebon "quitness" at some point. It's so obvious he doesn't like the guy or the Heat......

 

[matcar]

what a shocker that Van Gundy thought it was a violation. Listening to him on commentary is terrible. I'm just waiting for him to start calling Lebon "quitness" at some point. It's so obvious he doesn't like the guy or the Heat......

What a shocker that anytime ANY media person says something a fan doesn't like, said fan accuses the media person of hating said fan's team and being a terrible and biased observer.

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

But in 8-9 minutes last night Peja had a -14 differential. Just ungodly bad. I don't know why they don't just let Corey Brewer get the minutes and at limit Miami offensively. Peja is a turnstile out there.

Giving Brewer a shot is a no-brainer. He is much more athletic and is the best defender on the Mavs' bench. He was a mid- to late season acquisition, but has fit in quite well when called upon and has not disrupted the team chemistry. And considering all the missed layups and dunks, Brewer is one of the best on the team at finishing with a dunk.

That being said, Peja is still a threat to go off at any time and hit a bunch of 3s in a row. And if he could just hit a couple, then the fear of having to respect Peja is immensely important to Dallas being able to spread the floor on offense and keep Miami from collapsing on Dirk and on the lane.

 

[OH10]

What a shocker that anytime ANY media person says something a fan doesn't like, said fan accuses the media person of hating said fan's team and being a terrible and biased observer.

Don't accuse Wolverine Mike of being a real "fan". I'm not sure he'd even claim that much.

 

[BB73]

I thought the same thing when I saw the replay. I thought, how can they call a backcourt violation when he caught the ball in midair and landed on the offensive side of the court? Never made sense to me, but I wasn't really looking for excuses to explain Dallas' loss either.

I questioned it before they came back from the break between the 1st and 2nd quarters, I wasn't trying to explain the loss. I'd like to see the rule clarified, because I still don't know whether or not it should have been a violation. Those that have been around for a while know that I do that type of thing regardless of which team got the short end of the call.

I also complained about them not using replay on the call in order to get it right, and since the rules probably prevented them from doing that, the rules should get updated to allow stuff like that to be looked at. The NBA is taking a beating about the refereeing this postseason (as usual), and any time they can get something right they should rewrite rules to let them do that.

I'm pulling for Dallas in this series, but I'm not a jilted Cavs fan. I've been a Bulls fan since before Jordan went to college. Some of us pick a team based on where we live and support it for decades, but I guess that's not for everybody.

 

[dav713]

I see no reason why you wouldn't treat the half-court line like every other line on the court.

Seems like common sense to me....

100% agree, it would be stupid to treat the half-court line differently...it just seems that the rulebook does