HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[DaddyBigBucks]

8 losses… 10 first rounders

We are blessed to have Day as HC, despite his flaws.

Knocking wood as I say this...

I also think it reflects well on Coach Day that this transfer portal window has been so quiet at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center. Seems like most things were sorted out in the first transfer portal window. They look to be heading toward fall camp with the same folks they had for spring ball.

Knocking on wood again...

 

[Bestbuck36]

No one has had as good of a 3 coach run as Tressel, Meyer and Day. Spoiled indeed

 

[BuckeyeBiz]

Knocking wood as I say this...

I also think it reflects well on Coach Day that this transfer portal window has been so quiet at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center. Seems like most things were sorted out in the first transfer portal window. They look to be heading toward fall camp with the same folks they had for spring ball.

Knocking on wood again...

I think you’re right and the lack of NFL drafts today makes that even more impressive. This team is stacked mostly in every position. We had some 1st year guys bolt early and Dallen but most seemed to be talks about realties getting playing time. Really good roster management overall considering how much different it is now. We definitely flexed the NIL muscle this year.

 

[calibuck]

This vignette was amazingly good. This give-and-take didn't appear to be scripted, nor have a teleprompter, but the flow of question/answers was outstanding. Easy to see why Day was hired. He's very, very bright, very eloquent, has great ideas, and is extremely able to present them in a cogent way. Pate was at his best. Haven't watched any of his other one-on-ones, (don't really care about x, y, z teams), so cannot comment on how different his question lines were, but the back-and-forth was extremely good. PS, just got back from two week cruise through Venice, and Croatia, and the ship had extremely terrible wi-fi. (625 folk trying to crowd onto too little band width), so couldn't get to watch this timely. Agree with the above, definitely worth your time. It's like a great CEO explaining the how to's of building a great company. Go Bucks!

 

[RugbyBuck]

Agree. Most people can parrot a script or talking points, but when you hear Day, it's clear that he knows his stuff and that you're only hearing the surface.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

OK. But then how long does it take Day to pull the trigger on coaches not getting the job done? This is not the first time I’ve questioned that.

Responding here to this post made in the TCUN thread…

I respect you Cinci, and I’m always interested in what you have to say; but this is a situation where our perspectives are a little different. Maybe more than a little…

In fact, I’m left wondering exactly what you’re talking about. How long has Day even been the HC? And during that time, who has underperformed and kept their job?

The one example that I can think of was Kerry Coombs. He was the DC for two whole years. Two. Year one was 2020. After that dismal excuse for a season you and I were agreed that Coombs ought to go, but most of this board seemed to think that Coombs should get to coach at least one non-Covid year before being shown the door. I bet you this board wasn’t the only place where people were saying that. In fact, it seemed to me that, while Day never used the term Covid-Pass, he made it clear that some of the people at the WHAC got one.

How long did Coombs last after that?

One year

After which Day hired the man that almost everyone on this board thought was the best DC available. I use the word “almost” out of courtesy. I don’t remember a single post from anyone saying that it was the wrong hire

Then there’s last year’s OC

Demoted after ONE year, after all he’s done and proven

and to replace him Day brings in Chip fucking Kelly

Honestly, I can’t say Day has made a personnel decision that I wouldn’t have, except in cases where his judgment is better than mine

 

[dragurd]

Yeah

Responding here to this post made in the TCUN thread…

I respect you Cinci, and I’m always interested in what you have to say; but this is a situation where our perspectives are a little different. Maybe more than a little…

In fact, I’m left wondering exactly what you’re talking about. How long has Day even been the HC? And during that time, who has underperformed and kept their job?

The one example that I can think of was Kerry Coombs. He was the DC for two whole years. Two. Year one was 2020. After that dismal excuse for a season you and I were agreed that Coombs ought to go, but most of this board seemed to think that Coombs should get to coach at least one non-Covid year before being shown the door. I bet you this board wasn’t the only place where people were saying that. In fact, it seemed to me that, while Day never used the term Covid-Pass, he made it clear that some of the people at the WHAC got one.

How long did Coombs last after that?

One year

After which Day hired the man that almost everyone on this board thought was the best DC available. I use the word “almost” out of courtesy. I don’t remember a single post from anyone saying that it was the wrong hire

Then there’s last year’s OC

Demoted after ONE year, after all he’s done and proven

and to replace him Day brings in Chip fucking Kelly

Honestly, I can’t say Day has made a personnel decision that I wouldn’t have, except in cases where his judgment is better than mine

yeah if I had to guess he's staying about Frye. But one year he puts together a great o-line. Dawand if you not for his own lredraft stupidity had a chance to be a first round pick and parris was.

Then the next year they are crap. In part cause the center left early in a ?? Decision.

I get his recruiting has been oddly mid for a coach that just put 3 people in the draft. But unfucking that line recruiting was always going to.br a long-term project

 

[RB07OSU]

Responding here to this post made in the TCUN thread…

I respect you Cinci, and I’m always interested in what you have to say; but this is a situation where our perspectives are a little different. Maybe more than a little…

In fact, I’m left wondering exactly what you’re talking about. How long has Day even been the HC? And during that time, who has underperformed and kept their job?

The one example that I can think of was Kerry Coombs. He was the DC for two whole years. Two. Year one was 2020. After that dismal excuse for a season you and I were agreed that Coombs ought to go, but most of this board seemed to think that Coombs should get to coach at least one non-Covid year before being shown the door. I bet you this board wasn’t the only place where people were saying that. In fact, it seemed to me that, while Day never used the term Covid-Pass, he made it clear that some of the people at the WHAC got one.

How long did Coombs last after that?

One year

After which Day hired the man that almost everyone on this board thought was the best DC available. I use the word “almost” out of courtesy. I don’t remember a single post from anyone saying that it was the wrong hire

Then there’s last year’s OC

Demoted after ONE year, after all he’s done and proven

and to replace him Day brings in Chip fucking Kelly

Honestly, I can’t say Day has made a personnel decision that I wouldn’t have, except in cases where his judgment is better than mine

This. Funny enough, I was just in UFM's thread singing his praises, but also pointing out that one major weakness of his was not firing his buddies when they were not getting the job done. Day has to beat ttun this year, but I give him in A+ in staff retention/personnel decisions so far. He made some really hard decisions in order to give us the best shot to win, what more can you do in that regard?

Also to your point, pretty much everyone on BP was thrilled to have Coombs initially, myself included. Then it became clear he was a position coach and not a coordinator. Can't disagree at all with the hire and after a full 2021 season, Day took care of it. Our defense was downright dominant last year.

On Frye, recruiting has not been ideal. But as @dragurd mentioned, he inherited a mess that needed time to fix. So you cannot realistically bring him in and expect an immediate turnaround. That said, he is on the clock to improve recruiting (especially with Kelly coming in) and the OL better be dominant this year with what we have to work with.

If we are talking LJ Sr, it is impossible to get rid of him for pretty much every reason on the books. Only thing I would critique is not getting in front of the negative recruiting that you knew would happen with his age. Doesn't seem like we did a good job there, but it could be that no matter what we did the recruits believed LJ Sr wouldn't be their position coach for long (or at all).

Point is, I think Day just needs the right consultants on how to win The Game, because 4 in a row under the circumstances cannot happen. But he has pushed all of his chips in the center of the table on personnel decisions and really in every other category. If Day loses to ttun and gets canned, it won't be for a lack of effort and due diligence.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Yeah
yeah if I had to guess he's staying about Frye. But one year he puts together a great o-line. Dawand if you not for his own lredraft stupidity had a chance to be a first round pick and parris was.

Then the next year they are crap. In part cause the center left early in a ?? Decision.

I get his recruiting has been oddly mid for a coach that just put 3 people in the draft. But unfucking that line recruiting was always going to.br a long-term project

This. Funny enough, I was just in UFM's thread singing his praises, but also pointing out that one major weakness of his was not firing his buddies when they were not getting the job done. Day has to beat ttun this year, but I give him in A+ in staff retention/personnel decisions so far. He made some really hard decisions in order to give us the best shot to win, what more can you do in that regard?

Also to your point, pretty much everyone on BP was thrilled to have Coombs initially, myself included. Then it became clear he was a position coach and not a coordinator. Can't disagree at all with the hire and after a full 2021 season, Day took care of it. Our defense was downright dominant last year.

On Frye, recruiting has not been ideal. But as @dragurd mentioned, he inherited a mess that needed time to fix. So you cannot realistically bring him in and expect an immediate turnaround. That said, he is on the clock to improve recruiting (especially with Kelly coming in) and the OL better be dominant this year with what we have to work with.

If we are talking LJ Sr, it is impossible to get rid of him for pretty much every reason on the books. Only thing I would critique is not getting in front of the negative recruiting that you knew would happen with his age. Doesn't seem like we did a good job there, but it could be that no matter what we did the recruits believed LJ Sr wouldn't be their position coach for long (or at all).

Point is, I think Day just needs the right consultants on how to win The Game, because 4 in a row under the circumstances cannot happen. But he has pushed all of his chips in the center of the table on personnel decisions and really in every other category. If Day loses to ttun and gets canned, it won't be for a lack of effort and due diligence.

Regarding Frye

Agree that what he inherited was a developmental position room that had a reputation for subpar development and the recruits all knew it

He’s had two years on a job that had a long way to go. I think pulling the trigger before this year would have been unfair to put it mildly

Above all we should remember that Frye was brought in because Day DID replace his predecessor

 

[RB07OSU]

Regarding Frye

Agree that what he inherited was a developmental position room that had a reputation for subpar development and the recruits all knew it

He’s had two years on a job that had a long way to go. I think pulling the trigger before this year would have been unfair to put it mildly

Above all we should remember that Frye was brought in because Day DID replace his predecessor

The last paragraph should be reiterated. Studrawa was gone quickly once the issues were identified. Most fans have a short term memory, but Day has been excellent in giving his staff chances, but also making a timely change if needed.

Beat ttun and win the Natty, simple right? But if I have to rename my dog to Ryan, that could be confusing

 

[Tanner]

The last paragraph should be reiterated. Studrawa was gone quickly once the issues were identified. Most fans have a short term memory, but Day has been excellent in giving his staff chances, but also making a timely change if needed.

Beat ttun and win the Natty, simple right? But if I have to rename my dog to Ryan, that could be confusing

Mostly agree. I think his only really bad hire was Coombs as DC. That never made any sense. But like you said at least he corrected it quickly. Promoting Fleming obviously didn't work out but it wasn't an unreasonable move when it happened.

 

[knuckifyoubuck]

His only bad hire? You mean Parker Flemming... right guys?

 

[Steve19]

His only bad hire? You mean Parker Flemming... right guys?

Wait...he was formally employed? Who knew?

 

[zbuck]

Wait...he was formally employed? Who knew?

Yep. Parker held the “ enigma wrapped in a mystery” coaching position.

 

[cincibuck]

Responding here to this post made in the TCUN thread…

I respect you Cinci, and I’m always interested in what you have to say; but this is a situation where our perspectives are a little different. Maybe more than a little…

In fact, I’m left wondering exactly what you’re talking about. How long has Day even been the HC? And during that time, who has underperformed and kept their job?

The one example that I can think of was Kerry Coombs. He was the DC for two whole years. Two. Year one was 2020. After that dismal excuse for a season you and I were agreed that Coombs ought to go, but most of this board seemed to think that Coombs should get to coach at least one non-Covid year before being shown the door. I bet you this board wasn’t the only place where people were saying that. In fact, it seemed to me that, while Day never used the term Covid-Pass, he made it clear that some of the people at the WHAC got one.

How long did Coombs last after that?

One year

After which Day hired the man that almost everyone on this board thought was the best DC available. I use the word “almost” out of courtesy. I don’t remember a single post from anyone saying that it was the wrong hire

Then there’s last year’s OC

Demoted after ONE year, after all he’s done and proven

and to replace him Day brings in Chip fucking Kelly

Honestly, I can’t say Day has made a personnel decision that I wouldn’t have, except in cases where his judgment is better than mine

And I was stone sober when I wrote it. I'm still a Day fan. I realize he came in on the wave of two coaches who turned the rivalry around. I sometimes forget that Day brought us within a flubbed field goal and two terrible targeting calls of two NCs.

I'm also capable of seeing what a coach needs to do before he sees it. It's called being 'a fan'.

I also understand why Coombs was first hired - in no small way, Coombs was responsible for getting talent out of Southwest Ohio, and then out of the south. As we all know, Coombs was a perfect example of the Peter Principle, great talent at what he was doing and then promoted to a position where he was misplaced. I also know that good assistant coaches attract poachers and Day's success has brought out the poachers.

Take what I said as a bit of it's-too-fucking-long-to-September fan reaction. Thanks for pointing that out.