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I saw his comments on 11W today about not being able to, essentially, give up the OC role. That is significant imo.
It means that Gene just gets done using the CEO job description, with his dutiful endorsement, knowing that his employee is unwilling to perform the actual job duties and that, as a result, the results are going to suffer. Gene is laying the groundwork for an exit if this season blows up in his face.
Day's record as the HC will rely on how well he hires and fires assistant coaches if he isn't willing or able to be the coach of coaches. It's like that in any company/organization. To date, his eye for talent is questionable, especially at the most important position on the staff, DC. He was slow on the trigger with firing a couple of them that has, and will continue to, haunt.
Bottom line is the guy has lost two in a row to tsun, has lost 2 games a year the past two years and hasn't won a title since '20. He has serious question marks for this year and a much tougher schedule which includes a road trip to AA. It looks on paper that he might be doing well to only lose 2 games this year.
This year's team is going to have to break the troubling trend of his teams finding ways to lose close games and do it right from the start. If they can't then even the most ardent believers are going to have to ask themselves what they expect from the program. Close losses ok because he's a nice guy? That's a tough position to take up while you watch edgy pricks like Meyer and Harbaugh win titles.
It means that Gene just gets done using the CEO job description, with his dutiful endorsement, knowing that his employee is unwilling to perform the actual job duties and that, as a result, the results are going to suffer. Gene is laying the groundwork for an exit if this season blows up in his face.
Day's record as the HC will rely on how well he hires and fires assistant coaches if he isn't willing or able to be the coach of coaches. It's like that in any company/organization. To date, his eye for talent is questionable, especially at the most important position on the staff, DC. He was slow on the trigger with firing a couple of them that has, and will continue to, haunt.
Bottom line is the guy has lost two in a row to tsun, has lost 2 games a year the past two years and hasn't won a title since '20. He has serious question marks for this year and a much tougher schedule which includes a road trip to AA. It looks on paper that he might be doing well to only lose 2 games this year.
This year's team is going to have to break the troubling trend of his teams finding ways to lose close games and do it right from the start. If they can't then even the most ardent believers are going to have to ask themselves what they expect from the program. Close losses ok because he's a nice guy? That's a tough position to take up while you watch edgy pricks like Meyer and Harbaugh win titles.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
URBAN MEYER HAS “NO DOUBT” RYAN DAY CAN GET OHIO STATE BACK ON TRACK AGAINST MICHIGAN: “NO ONE BETTER”
In his seven-year tenure as Ohio State’s head coach, Meyer beat Michigan seven straight times. So as Ohio State looks to bounce back from back-to-back losses to Michigan for the first time since the end of John Cooper’s tenure with the Wolverines, it’s only natural that Meyer would be asked what the Buckeyes need to do to bounce back.To Meyer, the answer to that is simple: The Buckeyes need to control the line of scrimmage, which they haven’t in either of their last two meetings with the Wolverines.
“What have you got to do to beat them? You gotta control the line of scrimmage. And Ryan and I have talked about that,” Meyer said Thursday night after participating in an Ohio State coaches’ roundtable alongside Ryan Day, Jim Tressel and John Cooper at the Ohio State coaches’ clinic. “He did a really cool thing with the team and he reviewed that with the team, what are the 10 bullet points of a winning game? And number one is always going to be control the line of scrimmage.”
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1926Buckeyes
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I made comments in another thread about this, but I did want to point out one thing. I think all of the complaints you have with Day are much more relevant with Meyer and his tenure. (Harbaugh has nothing to do with this. He was an abject failure until his smarter, more talented, and more success brother took pity on him and loaned him DCs specifically tailored to counter Day's offense). Meyer waited two agonizing years to get a real OC after Herman left, and his good hires on defense were an island in a sea of shit. Day demoted Coombs after what, 11 games at DC? I agree on Stud, although that wasn't as clear of a situation. If anything, his management of the staff is a big improvement over Meyer's approach.
The difference between the two is that Meyer is uniquely great at going to programs, infusing them with talent, and using excellent psychobabble to energize the team for big games...for 3-4 seasons. Then players start to tune him out and everyone adapts to his offense. After 2015, Meyer held the program back. He struggled to make good hires and refused to sit back and let OCs make changes, even though he didn't have a vision of how to adapt his offense to the present.
Meyer was a great coach who wasted opportunities and talent because his style of coaching is not sustainable at any program. I'm glad he coached at OSU and also glad he's gone because his tenure was on a road to nowhere. They were winning with sheer talent and Day/Wilson's scheme. Day has yet to show the ability to get guys to hyperfocus and play out of their minds, but he's building a sustainable program. Whether it'll be good enough to consistently win the game and CFP remains to be seen.
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Perhaps I am wrong, but Day's flat emotional response in big games seems to be both a strength and a weakness. When things are not going your way, a team needs a coach and players who do not allow the negative emotional response to the moment to cloud their vision and overwhelm them. Meyer gave those pep talks and emotional cues from the sideline. Day seems to lack the ability to be the lightning rod for positive emotional leadership that recharges a team to focus on responding to adversity in the way that Meyer did.
His Buckeye teams have seemed emotionally drained and unable to lift themselves back up when getting behind in big games, and I am hoping that it is something to which he is applying his mind.
His Buckeye teams have seemed emotionally drained and unable to lift themselves back up when getting behind in big games, and I am hoping that it is something to which he is applying his mind.
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All true, save the Georgia game. Day was fucking lit in that game and his team responded in kind. Hopefully he recognizes this on his own and uses it correctly. He also blew up in the Rutgers game I believe and then his punter put it on his back to run down the sideline with a big middle finger to Schiano. Kids respond to emotion, that's all they have at their age. You just have to push the right buttons and Meyer is a legend at doing that.
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SO much THIS! Meyer was a master at pushing everyone on the team's(including staff's) buttons. That is the biggest skill that he took with them when he left. Early on I thought Coombs would fill that void(Wrong), then I thought Day would take over in that space. Hoping and praying that he learned from that scUM loss, but even more from the UGA loss. He called a master game plan, and also got fired up, and then even keel when needed. The way he can ride an emotional roller coaster is something that we didn't see much from Meyer. He was all gas
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You can probably throw Hartline in that convo too. Probably one of the reasons why he was promoted to OC
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Are there still any Buckeye fans panicking about the transfer portal?
Ohio State lost only 9 players to the transfer portal (2nd fewest amongst P5 schools), none of whom was projected to be a major contributor this season; and signed 8 players, including big-time prospects Davison Igbinosun, Ja'Had Carter, Lorenzo Styles, and Tywone Malone; if Josh Simmons and Victor Cutler can provide any help on the OL, then this transfer class will be a definite home run.
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I'll admit to being concerned for an abbreviated period, but also admit that I didn't know we had another portal period after the first one. On paper, I'm excited on how we did in the portal. Of course we will have to see how the actual results pan out but we hit some big targets at positions of need.
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