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Four Loko

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Jesus Tebow! Are we that fucking wimpy? It's carbonated, watermelon flavored Mad Dog, that's slightly more potent than good German Riesling. Not my bag, baby...but more power to anyone who wants to drink the crapola. Christ, I had 4 Four Lokos worth of Plymouth Gin Martinis at the Sofitel Bar for happy hour and still managed to make it to the restroom for a piss, flag a cab, find my house and type this rant.

Get a pair, America!
 
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I don't totally agree with the ban, but I can see why it would happen.

They're mixing drugs in a can. Alcohol is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. Just because you can buy them separately and do stupid shit with them by mixing them yourself doesn't necessarily mean that they should be packaged and marketed together.

I mean, vodka and aspirin are both legal but if I started selling that shit pre-mixed in a bottle I'd expect to be shut down yesterday.
 
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jlb1705;1813189; said:
I don't totally agree with the ban, but I can see why it would happen.

They're mixing drugs in a can. Alcohol is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. Just because you can buy them separately and do stupid shit with them by mixing them yourself doesn't necessarily mean that they should be packaged and marketed together.

I mean, vodka and aspirin are both legal but if I started selling that shit pre-mixed in a bottle I'd expect to be shut down yesterday.
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Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with this logic.

Why should the gummint ban a beverage because it mixes two legal "drugs" (which is a misnomer for those two ingredients, but not the arguement here) and not ban each said "drug"? Are bars not going to be able to sell Jagerbombs soon?


This nanny state shit is getting absolutely ridiculous. If people who are of age to buy a product that is made from LEGAL substances and consume said substances, then they should be able to do so.
 
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buxfan4life;1813404; said:
Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with this logic.

Why should the gummint ban a beverage because it mixes two legal "drugs" (which is a misnomer for those two ingredients, but not the arguement here) and not ban each said "drug"? Are bars not going to be able to sell Jagerbombs soon?


This nanny state shit is getting absolutely ridiculous. If people who are of age to buy a product that is made from LEGAL substances and consume said substances, then they should be able to do so.
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just put a disclaimer on the can: "don't drink this like an asshole." Problem solved. Can the government ban everything that could harm you when you use it like a dipshit?
 
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buxfan4life;1813404; said:
Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with this logic.

Why should the gummint ban a beverage because it mixes two legal "drugs" (which is a misnomer for those two ingredients, but not the arguement here) and not ban each said "drug"? Are bars not going to be able to sell Jagerbombs soon?


This nanny state [censored] is getting absolutely ridiculous. If people who are of age to buy a product that is made from LEGAL substances and consume said substances, then they should be able to do so.
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Good post.
 
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tsteele316;1813415; said:
just put a disclaimer on the can: "don't drink this like an asshole." Problem solved. Can the government ban everything that could harm you when you use it like a dipshit?
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They certainly will try. They would rather we sheeple buy the overpriced, overly toxic perscription meds from the pharmacutical companies that line the pols pockets than decided for ourselves what we can and can not consume.
 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620673854960904.html

FDA Warns Drink Makers Mixing Caffeine, Alcohol

By DAVID KESMODEL

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned four makers of caffeine-infused malt beverages Wednesday that the products don't meet safety requirements, and it threatened to seize the drinks.

The agency sent warning letters to companies including United Brands Co., the maker of Joose, and Phusion Projects LLC, the maker of Four Loko, which earlier this week said it removed the caffeine in anticipation of federal action...
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jlb1705;1813189; said:
I don't totally agree with the ban, but I can see why it would happen.

They're mixing drugs in a can. Alcohol is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. Just because you can buy them separately and do stupid shit with them by mixing them yourself doesn't necessarily mean that they should be packaged and marketed together.

I mean, vodka and aspirin are both legal but if I started selling that shit pre-mixed in a bottle I'd expect to be shut down yesterday.
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Are you okay with them mixing drugs in a cup? Irish coffee has alcohol and caffeine. Are you okay with them mixing it in a glass? Rum and coke has alcohol and caffeine.

Besides the nanny state holding our hands for Four Loko, shouldn't they take away the premixed margaritas Krogers sells? or, even worse, the premixed bourbon and cokes - after all, they contain (horrors!) both alcohol and caffeine.
 
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MightbeaBuck;1813524; said:
Are you okay with them mixing drugs in a cup? Irish coffee has alcohol and caffeine. Are you okay with them mixing it in a glass? Rum and coke has alcohol and caffeine.

Besides the nanny state holding our hands for Four Loko, shouldn't they take away the premixed margaritas Krogers sells? or, even worse, the premixed bourbon and cokes - after all, they contain (horrors!) both alcohol and caffeine.
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I don't see it in black & white terms necessarily. Some mixtures can be more dangerous than others. Especially when there are two substances being mixed where one (in high enough quantities) potentially masks the effects of abusing the other. One reason why we can justify alcohol being legal is that we implicitly trust ourselves to know when to say "when" - either by common sense or biology. If this is something that inhibits that capability then that's a whole other realm of possible abuse and potential danger for people who don't use it. I think it's something that needs to be looked into further.

Do we even know what the caffeine content of this stuff is? I don't think Four Loko even discloses that. I haven't been able to find a definite number, and in my mind comparing it to something where we know exactly how much caffeine is present (probably much less) is a bit disingenuous.

BTW, I've never seen anybody crying about the nanny state over 190-proof Everclear in Ohio, even though you can't buy it here. I think that's a good example that alcohol doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
 
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jlb1705;1813533; said:
I don't see it in black & white terms necessarily. Some mixtures can be more dangerous than others. Especially when there are two substances being mixed where one (in high enough quantities) potentially masks the effects of abusing the other. One reason why we can justify alcohol being legal is that we implicitly trust ourselves to know when to say "when" - either by common sense or biology. If this is something that inhibits that capability then that's a whole other realm of possible abuse and potential danger for people who don't use it. I think it's something that needs to be looked into further.

Do we even know what the caffeine content of this stuff is? I don't think Four Loko even discloses that. I haven't been able to find a definite number, and in my mind comparing it to something where we know exactly how much caffeine is present (probably much less) is a bit disingenuous.

BTW, I've never seen anybody crying about the nanny state over 190-proof Everclear in Ohio, even though you can't buy it here. I think that's a good example that alcohol doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
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It's also bullshit that Ohio bans everclear. They'll let you buy four top shelf long islands at last call, but yeah, everclear would be ridiculous. The biggest bullshit of it is that 151 is ok. Because it has a slight rum flavor?

Eh, whatever. If I wanna act a fool, all I need is a bottle of 101 Wild Turkey.
 
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jlb1705;1813533; said:
If this is something that inhibits that capability
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So by this logic all alcohol should be banned because once I've consumed enough it inhibited by ability to judge which I should bang. The fat chick? or the not-so fat chick?



The inability to say "I'm good" resides solely on the person and their discretion.

Sorry FDA, your flat out wrong on this one. This is the Government taking responsibility out of my hands and making decisions for me.


Fuck. That.


edit: Btw, when did Caffeine inhibit the ability to make sound judgments? Last I checked I didn't get into a 'caffeine rage' when I slam a RedBull.
 
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