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Four Loko

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Buckeneye;1813561; said:
So by this logic all alcohol should be banned because once I've consumed enough it inhibited by ability to judge which I should bang. The fat chick? or the not-so fat chick?



The inability to say "I'm good" resides solely on the person and their discretion.

Sorry FDA, your flat out wrong on this one. This is the Government taking responsibility out of my hands and making decisions for me.


Fuck. That.


edit: Btw, when did Caffeine inhibit the ability to make sound judgments? Last I checked I didn't get into a 'caffeine rage' when I slam a RedBull.
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Why does everybody refute me with, "OK, I guess by your logic we should ban everything"?

I'm suggesting that caffeine could inhibit one's ability to tell how drunk they are. We count on people realizing they're too drunk to drive a car after they've had a 12-pack of beer. What happens if they drink the equivalent amount of alcohol in Four Lokos but fell like they'd still be OK to get behind the wheel of the car because the caffeine is masking some of the effects of the alcohol? To me, that would be a problem, and I think that's part of what's going on when people drink this stuff.

To wit:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/news/20091210/drunk-coffee-wont-get-you-sober

Dec. 10, 2009 -- Gulping down coffee won’t sober you up if you’re drunk, but it may make you awake enough to be dangerous, new research suggests.

Researchers draw that conclusion from laboratory experiments on mice, in which caffeine made drunken rodents more alert but didn’t reverse learning problems caused by alcohol.

Their study is published in the journal Behavioral Neuroscience.

“The myth about coffee’s sobering powers is particularly important to debunk because the co-use of caffeine and alcohol could actually lead to poor decisions with disastrous outcomes,” Thomas Gould, PhD, of Temple University and one of the study authors, says in a news release. “People who have consumed only alcohol, who feel tired and intoxicated, may be more likely to acknowledge that they are drunk.”

Gould tells WebMD in an email that "coffee may reduce the sedative effects of alcohol, which could give the false impression that people are not as intoxicated as they really are."

But caffeine’s effect as a stimulant may create the illusion in intoxicated people that they are alert and competent enough “to handle potentially harmful situations, such as driving while intoxicated or placing themselves in dangerous social situations,” Gould says.
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Are there any studies to back up the bolded? Sounds like speculation, and I can say from plenty of experience of mixing caffeine and alcohol that I feel no different. I'm just hammered.

The issue with Four Loko is that it has a high alcohol content and people chug it and get way too drunk way too fast.

They're targeting one company for doing something that probably hundreds of others do. Sparks, Tilt, Jack & Coke, Captain & Coke, Jagerbombs, Cherrybombs, etc.
 
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jlb1705;1813669; said:
Why does everybody refute me with, "OK, I guess by your logic we should ban everything"?

I'm suggesting that caffeine could inhibit one's ability to tell how drunk they are. We count on people realizing they're too drunk to drive a car after they've had a 12-pack of beer. What happens if they drink the equivalent amount of alcohol in Four Lokos but fell like they'd still be OK to get behind the wheel of the car because the caffeine is masking some of the effects of the alcohol? To me, that would be a problem, and I think that's part of what's going on when people drink this stuff.

To wit:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/news/20091210/drunk-coffee-wont-get-you-sober
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Sorry, but even the bolded statement defies logic. Many have drank a 12 pack and thought it OK to get behind the wheel, even without the caffeine.

What we all are saying/inferring is that the government has no business to tell people what they can and can't consume, but CAN tell the people what types of activities are not allowed after consuming said products (i.e. driving).

This knee jerk reaction is what caused prohibition in the first place. I am afraid that our bloated government who wants to tell us what to drink, eat, own, say and believe in are stepping way out of line here. Basically, if this type of thing keeps going, we will not be the "Land of the free and home of the brave" anymore but the "Land of the "whatever the governement tells us" and home of the lemmings". I, for one, do not want to head towards that type of nation.
 
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BUCKYLE;1813538; said:
It's also bull[censored] that Ohio bans everclear. They'll let you buy four top shelf long islands at last call, but yeah, everclear would be ridiculous. The biggest bull[censored] of it is that 151 is ok. Because it has a slight rum flavor?

Eh, whatever. If I wanna act a fool, all I need is a bottle of 101 Wild Turkey.
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Ohio bans Everclear so that West Virginia might have a reason to exist.
 
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BUCKYLE;1813538; said:
It's also bullshit that Ohio bans everclear. They'll let you buy four top shelf long islands at last call, but yeah, everclear would be ridiculous. The biggest bullshit of it is that 151 is ok. Because it has a slight rum flavor?
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Because college kids need something to make Flaming Dr. Peppers
 
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A guy on my team went out and bought 4 "flavors" earlier in the week. He decided to try one of them out last night. I believe the flavor he tried was Blue Raspberry. He said there was nothing blue raspberry about it, it tasted like cough syrup with beer and redbull. It took him a little over an hour to drink one can. He claimed to be wasted from only one can. Also he stated you could start to feel the effects after the first few sips.

He said he could not imagine drinking two of them in a short period of time. Not just for the alcohol but the caffeine content as well.
 
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3074326;1813673; said:
Are there any studies to back up the bolded? Sounds like speculation, and I can say from plenty of experience of mixing caffeine and alcohol that I feel no different. I'm just hammered.

The issue with Four Loko is that it has a high alcohol content and people chug it and get way too drunk way too fast.

They're targeting one company for doing something that probably hundreds of others do. Sparks, Tilt, Jack & Coke, Captain & Coke, Jagerbombs, Cherrybombs, etc.
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Agreed. I think this is like the whole situation when "Surge" came out and the amount of caffeine in that. It's peoples opinion, and until there's proof that it makes things worse, it's nothing more.
 
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3074326;1813673; said:
Are there any studies to back up the bolded?
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http://www.futurity.org/health-medicine/caffeine-cocktail-wide-awake-and-drunk/

FLORIDA (US) ?Adding a jolt of caffeine to alcohol?Red Bull with vodka, for example?has become the cocktail of choice for some college-age adults. However, the combination may make it more difficult to gauge intoxication
A recent study by University of Florida researchers shows patrons who consumed energy drinks mixed with alcohol had a threefold increased risk of leaving a bar highly intoxicated.
They also were four times more likely to intend to drive after drinking compared to bar patrons who drank alcohol only. Findings appear in the April issue of the journal Addictive Behaviors.
?Previous laboratory research suggests that when caffeine is mixed with alcohol it overcomes the sedating effects of alcohol and people may perceive that they are less intoxicated than they really are,? says Dennis Thombs, associate professor of public health and health professions.
?This may lead people to drink more or make uninformed judgments about whether they are safe to drive.?
More than 800 randomly selected patrons exiting establishments in a college bar district between the hours of 10 p.m. and 3 a.m. participated in the study. Thombs says studies on alcohol use among college students have traditionally relied on self-report questionnaires administered to sober students in daytime settings.
Researchers conducted face-to-face interviews to gather demographic information and details on participants? energy drink consumption and drinking behavior. Participants also completed self-administered questionnaires that asked about their drinking history and intention to drive that night. Next, researchers tested participants? breath alcohol concentration levels.
Bar patrons who reported drinking alcohol mixed with energy drinks?6.5 percent of study participants?were three times more likely to be intoxicated than drinkers who consumed alcohol only.
The average breath-alcohol concentration reading for those who mixed alcohol and energy drinks was 0.109, well above the legal driving limit of 0.08.
Consumers of energy drink cocktails also left bars later at night, drank for longer periods of time, ingested more grams of ethanol and were four times more likely to express an intention to drive within the hour than patrons who drank alcohol only.
Consumers of alcohol mixed with energy drinks may drink more and misjudge their capabilities because caffeine diminishes the sleepy feeling most people experience as they become intoxicated.
It?s a condition commonly described as ?wide awake and drunk,? says study coauthor Bruce Goldberger, professor and director of toxicology in the UF College of Medicine.
?There?s a very common misconception that if you drink caffeine with an alcoholic beverage the stimulant effect of the caffeine counteracts the depressant effect of the alcohol and that is not true,? Goldberger says.
?We know that caffeine aggravates the degree of intoxication, which can lead to risky behaviors. This study demonstrates that there definitely is reason for concern and more research is needed,? he says.
?We don?t know what self-administered caffeine levels bar patrons are reaching, what are safe and unsafe levels of caffeine, and what regulations or policies should be implemented to better protect bar patrons or consumers in general.?
Mary Claire O?Brien, associate professor of emergency medicine and public health sciences at Wake Forest University who has studied the relationship between energy drink cocktails and high-risk behavior, says Thombs? approach is unique because it was conducted in a natural drinking environment?college bars.
?His results clearly support the serious concern raised by previous research, that subjective drunkenness may be reduced by the concurrent ingestion of caffeinated energy drinks, increasing both the likelihood of further alcohol consumption, and of driving when intoxicated.?
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buxfan4life;1813698; said:
Many have drank a 12 pack and thought it OK to get behind the wheel, even without the caffeine.
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Right, and we don't need more of them.
 
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