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OH10;1575730; said:
They're sophomores idiot. I lost a lot of respect for him this morning.
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If the trend for the past 9 years at Ohio State was that the OL was a strength of the team then I would agree with you... But since it has not been, I think Herbies gameday comments were spot on.

That said, calling them fat slow and lazy is uncalled for.
I dont know how they stack up to other OLs in terms of weight / speed, but I doubt they are very far off.
Additionally, I would be shocked if they are slacking off in practice, the weight room, the film room, etc.
 
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Steve19;1576152; said:
I didn't hear the comment. Herbie seems to have had a tortured relationship with the Ohio State coaching staff in recent years.

When the furor erupted over Clarett, I understood that Herbie probably did not speak out in support of Ohio State because he felt it would impact on views of his impartiality. His speaking out would have done nothing to deflect the disgusting onslaught. He would have gained the reputation of being an Ohio State shill and lost his job.

His comments in 2004 about Ohio State's offense are not the only previous inappropriate comments he has made.

If we are to be fair and not set out to bash a former Ohio State quarterback, I wonder if we don't sometimes take offense at his unflattering comments about Ohio State unfairly because we are unable to see past our own hopes for the team? In other words, do we take offense because Herbie is telling us the truth?

Personally, I think that the concerns that I have heard Herbie express about Ohio State's offense have some validity


Herbie's job is to provide analysis.His comments will sometimes address facts that we do not want to hear.

This offensive line has under-performed. The offense has not established an identity or imposed its will on any team with a real heartbeat. However, Ohio State never claimed to be a national championship contender. This is a rebuilding year and there are lots of young, new faces on both sides of the ball this year. OK, Ohio State got punked at Purdue. I don't think they will underestimate an opponent like that very easily again.

Herbie need to remember that good analysis is based on facts. There are ways to say that Ohio State was flattered by a top ten rating earlier this year due to it being a rebuilding year and there are lots of young faces--most of us appreciate that kind of analysis about any team--but calling young people out like he has done far too often is over the line, especially when these kids are playing for a University to which Herbie owes so much.
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I largely agree Steve...its the overboard stuff. He's normally very complimentary towards all programs, but then he comes out and calls a group of 18-22 year olds fat and lazy. I'm just not sure he does that IF its another program.

It's another case of him stepping OB in an attempt to look unbiased. The 2004 offense sucked...fine. To say "if you're an offensive recruit, why wold you ever consider going to Ohio State" was overboard. This years offense has been brutal, laregly because of the offensive line, and Terrelle Pryor's struggles. Fine. But to call the OL "fat and lazy" is inappropriate.

Earlier this year Tressel did an interview with Cowherd and called into the program and Herbrstreit was in Tressels' office during the call. It wasn't planned, in the sense that Colin had no idea Herbstreit was going to be with Tressel. Herbstreit and Tressel seemed to get a few laughs on their end as they gave Colin a little bit of a hard time...it seemed like maybe Tressel and Herbstreit repaired their friendship, as I remeber after 2004, Herbstreit was put on ice for a little while.

I can't imagine Tressel will take kindly to "fat and lazy" in regards to his players. Critiscm is fair, but personal attacks on kids probably gets him a TO, IMO.
 
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OH10;1575730; said:
They're sophomores idiot.
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I didn't know that Cordle and Boren were sophomores and those sophomores you speak of were supposed to be one of the best OL line classes in Big 10 history.

Have they played at a level that you would have expected?

There's one common denominator in OSU's sub-par O-lines, Jim Bollman.
 
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Thump;1576230; said:
I didn't know that Cordle and Boren were sophomores and those sophomores you speak of were supposed to be one of the best OL line classes in Big 10 history.

Have they played at a level that you would have expected?

There's one common denominator in OSU's sub-par O-lines, Jim Bollman.
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That's a great argument, and Herbstreit could have voaclized that. How will Tressel react to his players being called "fat and lazy" by a former Buckeye?
 
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billmac91;1576233; said:
That's a great argument, and Herbstreit could have voaclized that. How will Tressel react to his players being called "fat and lazy" by a former Buckeye?
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And that's the point that is completely lost among those here that continue to defend Herbstreit. Its not that his criticism isn't, to a reasonable extent, correct. It is the manner in which he chose to go about it. If he says the OL is underperforming or that they are disappointing, I don't think anyone here would disagree. But that's not the tact he chose.

People say he needs to be objective even though he's a former Buckeye. I agree. By the same token: just because Herbie is a former Buckeye doesn't mean that he's immune to the same criticism this board levies against other ESPN commentators.

He subscribes to the same sad mentality that most of the commentators on the World Wide Network: that he's more important than than the game and he feels the need to say something that will generate a rise out of the viewers. I hate ESPN for that and its why I quit watching many of their silly shows like Around the Horn, PTI, Cowturd's show, May and Holtz. I thought Herbie and Gameday were better than that. They're not and its fair to call him out for it.
 
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GameDay has become pedestrian, IMO. I know a lot of people have already said some of this, but here is my take on it:

1) Way too much time is allotted for this type of program. It really only needs at most 45 mins, and realistically 30 mins is plenty of time to hit the high points of the day's games and then send you off to the first broadcast.

2) They need to quit the emotional sob stories for those, what they call, "inspirational" athletes/coaches/people around the team. You know the stories I mean; the one guy from Team Such and Such that grew up in a gang neighborhood in Such and Such State and used football to get out of the situation. You know, because that only happens to one in a million FBS players. :roll1: ESPiN already has programming for that kind of stuff: E60, OTL, etc., so leave it there.
**Just to be clear here, tragic stories like the one on the UCONN kid who was killed, is fitting as it has a direct impact on the team and game that day.

3) As much as I love the fact Herbie is a Buckeye through and through, he is getting to be a hack IMO. He has a bad habit of jumping the shark when it comes to "insider" info. He has been made to look like quite an ass lately with his "insider" info. Oh, and the holier than thou attitude he has taken with his comments about Tressel and the team lately have really started to grate me in the scUM-Man/Rick Leach kind of way. That is not good.

4) Desmond Howard. Enough said.

Again, this is only my take, and the reasons I don't even tune into that show anymore.
 
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Thump;1576230; said:
I didn't know that Cordle and Boren were sophomores and those sophomores you speak of were supposed to be one of the best OL line classes in Big 10 history.

Have they played at a level that you would have expected?

There's one common denominator in OSU's sub-par O-lines, Jim Bollman.
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See post above. That's not the point. Of course, they have been disappointing. Herbie went way overboard with it.
 
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Steve19;1576152; said:
If we are to be fair and not set out to bash a former Ohio State quarterback, I wonder if we don't sometimes take offense at his unflattering comments about Ohio State unfairly because we are unable to see past our own hopes for the team? In other words, do we take offense because Herbie is telling us the truth?
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There is no "truth" coming from the GameDay set, just strong opinions backed with whatever stats can be used to make a point.

I take issue with Herbie's comments toward OSU because he has developed such a warped concept of "objectivity" that precludes him from praising the Buckeyes while giving him a national-broadcast bullhorn to vent his most "impassioned" criticisms of his alma mater. He loses all credibility when he sits there all red-faced and pinch-mouthed and rails on the OSU OL as the biggest underachievers "in the last ten years in college football history". That kind of hyperbole from a frustrated fan is the exact opposite of the lack of bias that Herbie works so hard to avoid projecting.
 
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Are Ohio State's lineman fat? Well yes, to a certain extent, they all have guts on them so I guess you could call them somewhat fat. They ain't exactly toothpicks.

Are they slow? Compared to whom? Terrelle Pryor? Dexter McCluster? Absolutely. Compared to their fellow offensive linemen? That's debatable obviously. They aren't as fleet of foot as some players, but they aren't playing positions that require a whole lot of linear speed.

Are they lazy? I don't know. That's the most subjective argument of the entire bunch.

Just because the line as a unit had a nightmare of a game against Purdue doesn't mean they're lazy. It means they're human and, for the most part, underclassmen. Perhaps they took Purdue too easily - perhaps they came in flat - it doesn't matter now. The objective now is to improve every day in practice and NOT repeat past mistakes.


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My Non-Buckeye friends all like Herbstreit and the CGD crew / format. So do I for the most part.

His comments this week about OSU were a little harsh, but I agree with most of them (most underperforming O-line in CF in 10 years is a bit of Hyperbole).

The show is too long, and we don?t need all the human interest stories, but the guys know what they?re talking about.

Corso's "shot their wad" comment was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.

When Herbie started at ESPN (12 years ago?); he talked a mile a minute and was very raw / nervous. He's calmed down and is now one of the best in the business IMO.

I remember the "HerrrrrbStreeet" chants that would arise in the Horseshoe in '92 when Kent Graham wasn't getting it done.
 
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buxfan4life;1576251; said:
GameDay has become pedestrian, IMO. I know a lot of people have already said some of this, but here is my take on it:

1) Way too much time is allotted for this type of program. It really only needs at most 45 mins, and realistically 30 mins is plenty of time to hit the high points of the day's games and then send you off to the first broadcast.

2) They need to quit the emotional sob stories for those, what they call, "inspirational" athletes/coaches/people around the team. You know the stories I mean; the one guy from Team Such and Such that grew up in a gang neighborhood in Such and Such State and used football to get out of the situation. You know, because that only happens to one in a million FBS players. :roll1: ESPiN already has programming for that kind of stuff: E60, OTL, etc., so leave it there.
**Just to be clear here, tragic stories like the one on the UCONN kid who was killed, is fitting as it has a direct impact on the team and game that day.

3) As much as I love the fact Herbie is a Buckeye through and through, he is getting to be a hack IMO. He has a bad habit of jumping the shark when it comes to "insider" info. He has been made to look like quite an ass lately with his "insider" info. Oh, and the holier than thou attitude he has taken with his comments about Tressel and the team lately have really started to grate me in the scUM-Man/Rick Leach kind of way. That is not good.

4) Desmond Howard. Enough said.

Again, this is only my take, and the reasons I don't even tune into that show anymore.
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They should talk about Tebow more... :paranoid:
 
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