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Defensive Staff Next Year?

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bukIpower said:
Yeah no kidding...

Him and Harrison were projected 1st rounders and basically didn't show out. Particularly Banks.

Banks needs that final year but wouldn't be surprised to see him move on .
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Banks and Harrison are equally in the same boat as no shows this year. And I'd put MUCH more on Harrison, as he was supposed to be our next star DE to be 3 and gone. And he's looked nothing more than just a body in most games. Banks was never a great player, he was average to good last year, and this year he was supposed to develop into that 1st or 2nd rounder! Harrison was supposed to be IT! Every measurable known to man from speed, height, strength, you name it. And this year was one big dud. I was willing to overlook his development last year due to the Covid year, but there were no excuses for this year
 
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pnuts34 said:
Banks and Harrison are equally in the same boat as no shows this year. And I'd put MUCH more on Harrison, as he was supposed to be our next star DE to be 3 and gone. And he's looked nothing more than just a body in most games. Banks was never a great player, he was average to good last year, and this year he was supposed to develop into that 1st or 2nd rounder! Harrison was supposed to be IT! Every measurable known to man from speed, height, strength, you name it. And this year was one big dud. I was willing to overlook his development last year due to the Covid year, but there were no excuses for this year
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Sort of why even if he goes pro I won't be too upset. Yes I think he could be a huge help but we've got to move forward with 33 and 44 as our guys ASAP I think. You have to figure both the young guys make crazy progress in the gym over the off season.

Sigh... can't believe the seasons over.
 
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bukIpower said:
Sort of why even if he goes pro I won't be too upset. Yes I think he could be a huge help but we've got to move forward with 33 and 44 as our guys ASAP I think. You have to figure both the young guys make crazy progress in the gym over the off season.

Sigh... can't believe the seasons over.
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Agreed! Let 44 and 33 become what we thought Bosa and Spence would be on the edge. And we still have Williams and Hamilton and Hall in the middle!

And btw, I'm with you there:shake:

On the bright side for coaches, I'm sure a number of NFL names will come out from teams like the Jags, Steelers, Bears, and Texans with some talented coaches looking for a chance
 
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NFBuck said:
And that is my question. What is the reason for 2 full classes largely failing to develop? Is it that they were just a bunch of “misses” recruiting? Or is it a lack of development from the coaching staff? If it’s the latter, is it because the position coaches are sucking at their job, or is it the overarching scheme?
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I wrote a fucking novel detailing how defensive problems leading back to '17 are still effecting the team, but the short is that save Hafley, (and recently recruiting by Coombs) the defensive back 7 recruiting and coaching have been mediocre to abysmal since '17. Barnes is the lone guy Day seems to trust now, and I'd be surprised if we see Coombs and Washington stay on to next year.

Thought Washington was the future here, but Browning failed to reach his potential, and your 3 4th year players struggled to do the basics this year and now 2 of them are gone. Not sure what happened there, if something else is going on behind the scenes, or Washington just isn't it.

DB development is less of a concern now, but safeties are still needed and if Coombs does leave, that creates more questions regarding development and recruiting.

No one can question Johnson as a DL developer, but there have at least been some recruiting misses leading to a downturn in production and impact against equal competition.

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Scheme really stands out to me because you would think that the 2018 & 19 classes would be getting onto the field mostly in 2020 & 21…under the current regime. What would these guys look like if Hafley stuck around for another year or two? Some of those kids are probably a wash, but I gotta think some of them are still salvageable under a better scheme/better coaches. But, yes, I would be shocked if we aren’t dipping into the portal.
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Scheme , or lack-thereof, just amplifies all the issues we've seen in recent years. Another year with Hafley gives you a chance to build up young players, create depth, and maybe get another coach in to replace Mattison, and start a line of continuation after Hafley leaves. But none of that happened, and Day was too busy trying to keep a season alive to focus on what wasn't happening under Coombs last year. Didn't hurt that he was also landing sorely needed talent.

I hope Day keeps Barnes, finds an LB coach with DC experience, and hires a 5th defensive coach instead of a ST coach. Barnes isn't perfect, but he's shown an ability to fix a shit storm on the fly and get a young back 7 to keep OSU in some games this year. I don't think a DC can fix the issues we saw yesterday. That starts earlier with better LBs and depth, a DL that gets push or at least stonewalls the opponent at times, and some toughness.

No matter what's done, OSU is going to need to find stability and cohesion on the defense for the first time since...Ash? Maybe Barnes can provide that, otherwise Day better find another Hafley that works magic.
 
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@1926Buckeyes you mention Washington, he really isn’t an LB coach is he, all his experience has been DL before a few years ago, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him as the heir to LJsr?

also I really doubt Day fires Flemming so let’s hope he can coach something on D

edit: Re Flemming
Before he came to Ohio State, Fleming was the co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Texas State. He spent two seasons with the Bobcats, starting as wide receivers coach and special teams coach before he was promoted to the co-coordinator role. Before that, he was the wide receivers coach for two years at James Madison.
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So D isn’t getting an extra guy because I don’t see Hartline or Dennis going anywhere
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
@1926Buckeyes you mention Washington, he really isn’t an LB coach is he, all his experience has been DL before a few years ago, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him as the heir to LJsr?

also I really doubt Day fires Flemming so let’s hope he can coach something on D
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Maybe so, I might've confused his job at TTUN. And yeah, I'll have to check on Flemming's background. Hopefully he started shadowing Barnes or Coombs this year so he can add something defensively next year. ST has been good this year, but not good enough to have him only doing that.

bukIpower said:
Sort of why even if he goes pro I won't be too upset. Yes I think he could be a huge help but we've got to move forward with 33 and 44 as our guys ASAP I think. You have to figure both the young guys make crazy progress in the gym over the off season.

Sigh... can't believe the seasons over.
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Never turn down depth. I agree that Sawyer and JT at your guys next year, but if Harrison adds another move, maybe get 6-7 sacks and is better at deflecting passes, that can be the difference between a really good and NC level DL when everyone else is gassed.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Maybe so, I might've confused his job at TTUN. And yeah, I'll have to check on Flemming's background. Hopefully he started shadowing Barnes or Coombs this year so he can add something defensively next year. ST has been good this year, but not good enough to have him only doing that.



Never turn down depth. I agree that Sawyer and JT at your guys next year, but if Harrison adds another move, maybe get 6-7 sacks and is better at deflecting passes, that can be the difference between a really good and NC level DL when everyone else is gassed.
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Based on my wiki search Wash was Lb as scum in 18 then for us since then..it was mainly DL before that with a random RB year in there
 
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pnuts34 said:
Banks and Harrison are equally in the same boat as no shows this year. And I'd put MUCH more on Harrison, as he was supposed to be our next star DE to be 3 and gone. And he's looked nothing more than just a body in most games. Banks was never a great player, he was average to good last year, and this year he was supposed to develop into that 1st or 2nd rounder! Harrison was supposed to be IT! Every measurable known to man from speed, height, strength, you name it. And this year was one big dud. I was willing to overlook his development last year due to the Covid year, but there were no excuses for this year
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Harrison is a freak talent but the concern with him since HS was does he love football enough to milk everything out of that physical talent and the answer has been an emphatic no. By all accounts he's a fantastic young man, very bright, stays out of trouble, great in the community...just doesn't eat/sleep/breathe football like the animals that came before him. The light switch isn't getting flipped with him; I'd imagine he will declare, some teams will fall in love with him enough that he may still go 3rd or 4th round, play for a few years and move onto the next step in his career which I imagine is not football related.
 
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There was a lotta behind the scenes stuff with Sevyn and a few other guys from beginning of year….just way year unfolded it never really got on track.

I wish nothing but the best…..would be surprised if he returns but he didn’t do himself any favors from a draft perspective.
 
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