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Defensive Staff Next Year?

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Jaxbuck said:
Against bad offenses, no that isn't too much to ask. Against good offenses, yes. It's not a realistic expectation.

It's a race to 30 these days. How easily you can get there and past it while making it hard as hell for your opponent.

All this team needs is the right guy(s) in charge of the defense to get it to above average. Doesn't have to be great and likely never will be given the focus on a pass first offense.
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Told my dad this week, with how the offense was clicking - we just needed the defense to manage 3-4 stops and let the offense do its thing to get separation.

Instead, Michigan went 5 for 5 TD drives to end the game. Then the offense also stumbled too many times. But, generally that seems to be the direction OSU is going. Offense has to be elite, defense has to break serve a couple times or even better, mix in a couple turnovers.

That said, as a fan, I hate the offensive shootouts where you feel like every drive is a must score. But that’s football now. A lot of pressure with the ball in your hands.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Against bad offenses, no that isn't too much to ask. Against good offenses, yes. It's not a realistic expectation.

It's a race to 30 these days. How easily you can get there and past it while making it hard as hell for your opponent.

All this team needs is the right guy(s) in charge of the defense to get it to above average. Doesn't have to be great and likely never will be given the focus on a pass first offense.
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Yup. The dream imo is something near the 2019 defense every year. Absolutely shut down most B1G offenses and made life absolutely hell for an elite offense like Clemson despite giving up 29.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
That said, as a fan, I hate the offensive shootouts where you feel like every drive is a must score. But that’s football now. A lot of pressure with the ball in your hands.
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It's actually easier to do though.

We are all just conditioned to thinking we're "safer" on defense in good field position.

Knowing how many possessions you are up and how many the opponent likely has left is the simple math of the game anymore to me.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It's actually easier to do though.

We are all just conditioned to thinking we're "safer" on defense in good field position.

Knowing how many possessions you are up and how many the opponent likely has left is the simple math of the game anymore to me.
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I can sympathize with @OHSportsFan

2019 was the first Buckeye team in a long time where you knew once the team got any sort of double digit lead it was curtains. Only time I never felt safe was when we were up 16-0 in the Fiesta Bowl and that was purely out of respect for Clemson’s offense.

2020 and 2021 I never felt safe unless we were up by 4 TDs lol.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It's actually easier to do though.

We are all just conditioned to thinking we're "safer" on defense in good field position.

Knowing how many possessions you are up and how many the opponent likely has left is the simple math of the game anymore to me.
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The math knowing we were down and our D can’t get off the field in both Oregon/Mich was nauseating. Knew every play had to be inch perfect on offense and even then it likely didn’t matter. Bucks blinked first and never got it back both times.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
The math knowing we were down and our D can’t get off the field in both Oregon/Mich was nauseating. Knew every play had to be inch perfect on offense. Bucks blinked first and never got it back both times.
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Yeah, the math of knowing your defense = 0 is rougher than a night in jail.

That simply has to get sorted out.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Changing gears from the coaching for a minute. Look at the depth chart by class, focus on the defense and you have to start to wonder if the talent is all that we think it is/was.

I sure hope the '20, '21 and incoming 22 class are all studs because the '18 & '19 classes were underwhelming to put it mildly.

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I mean, it's not on the same level as the insane talent we've been recruiting on offense, but there's enough top-250, 4* kids (and a few 5*) that any decent defensive staff should be able to field a defense that isn't getting blown off the ball as much as we have in 2020 & 2021.

From late September (post Tulsa, when IIRC Barnes was elevated) until The Game, the defense seemed to be coming around. They allowed the following point totals...7, 13, 17, 7, 24, 17, 31, 7. So for 6/8 games, they were pretty stingy. Overall, that's 123 points, or 15.4 ppg which is pretty elite in today's cfb world. No small coincidence those were the weakest opponents for the most part. Against Ped Aggy, Nebraska and Purdue, the underlying issues were bubbling to the surface some and they ruptured in the Game. I'm no analytical genius, but that tells me there is talent here because they can execute and enforce their will against the teams they can out talent. Teams that lack talent get exposed across the board. When you start facing the better teams on the schedule, the scheme gets exposed.

Now, it's quite possible...maybe even likely...some of the kids that have been brought in were a bit overrated as recruits. I don't think we are as loaded defensively as offensively, talent-wise...of course. But there's a t least a foundation there that with decent coaching and the right scheme that your offense shouldn't have to worry about scoring everytime they get the damn ball.against the better teams.
 
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NFBuck said:
I mean, it's not on the same level as the insane talent we've been recruiting on offense, but there's enough top-250, 4* kids (and a few 5*) that any decent defensive staff should be able to field a defense that isn't getting blown off the ball as much as we have in 2020 & 2021.

From late September (post Tulsa, when IIRC Barnes was elevated) until The Game, the defense seemed to be coming around. They allowed the following point totals...7, 13, 17, 7, 24, 17, 31, 7. So for 6/8 games, they were pretty stingy. Overall, that's 123 points, or 15.4 ppg which is pretty elite in today's cfb world. No small coincidence those were the weakest opponents for the most part. Against Ped Aggy, Nebraska and Purdue, the underlying issues were bubbling to the surface some and they ruptured in the Game. I'm no analytical genius, but that tells me there is talent here because they can execute and enforce their will against the teams they can out talent. Teams that lack talent get exposed across the board. When you start facing the better teams on the schedule, the scheme gets exposed.

Now, it's quite possible...maybe even likely...some of the kids that have been brought in were a bit overrated as recruits. I don't think we are as loaded defensively as offensively, talent-wise...of course. But there's a t least a foundation there that with decent coaching and the right scheme that your offense shouldn't have to worry about scoring everytime they get the damn ball.against the better teams.
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The '18 and '19 classes have only produced 3 contributors, with one of them being a former offensive recruit! That's just plain bad development, and a number of guys who now seem SEVERLY overrated in HS. So we're sitting here with a complete loss of 2 years of defensive recruiting, and having to turn to underclassmen to pick up the slack. So we better be hitting that transfer portal hard as well this off season for various defensive players. And honestly hope some defensive players decide not to return to take up schollies for more talented players
 
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pnuts34 said:
The '18 and '19 classes have only produced 3 contributors, with one of them being a former offensive recruit! That's just plain bad development, and a number of guys who now seem SEVERLY overrated in HS. So we're sitting here with a complete loss of 2 years of defensive recruiting, and having to turn to underclassmen to pick up the slack. So we better be hitting that transfer portal hard as well this off season for various defensive players. And honestly hope some defensive players decide not to return to take up schollies for more talented players
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And that is my question. What is the reason for 2 full classes largely failing to develop? Is it that they were just a bunch of “misses” recruiting? Or is it a lack of development from the coaching staff? If it’s the latter, is it because the position coaches are sucking at their job, or is it the overarching scheme? Scheme really stands out to me because you would think that the 2018 & 19 classes would be getting onto the field mostly in 2020 & 21…under the current regime. What would these guys look like if Hafley stuck around for another year or two? Some of those kids are probably a wash, but I gotta think some of them are still salvageable under a better scheme/better coaches. But, yes, I would be shocked if we aren’t dipping into the portal.
 
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It's amazing how a scheme can change a team.

Look at TSUN... they got rid of Brown and pick up a young kid from the NFL.

OSU should try to get a younger kid from the NFL and a older coach with experience coaching (preference Big 10) and recruiting, like they had a couple years ago.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
It's amazing how a scheme can change a team.

Look at TSUN... they got rid of Brown and pick up a young kid from the NFL.

OSU should try to get a younger kid from the NFL and a older coach with experience coaching (preference Big 10) and recruiting, like they had a couple years ago.
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The problem is they had trouble with tempo all year, major trouble, because their DC would try to sub and teams would catch them out of position A LOT! We tried that, but instead of getting to the line and running a play, we’d get lined up in a hurry just to look to the sideline.
 
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