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DC Jim Knowles (Official Thread)

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buchtelgrad04 said:
You did not explain how a coach is responsible for a player falling down in coverage.
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This has me thinking of Shawn Springs slipping while covering Plaxico Burress in ‘97.

Sometimes sports just fuck you over no matter how good the coaches and players are.

My hot take as I get older is that sports kinda fucking suck-the amount of heartbreak versus the amount of joy they bring is pretty lopsided.

You really have to focus on finding joy in other places outside of championships/perfection or, as Ohio State fans know all too well, you’ll just be miserable constantly.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
This has me thinking of Shawn Springs slipping while covering Plaxico Burress in ‘97.

Sometimes sports just fuck you over no matter how good the coaches and players are.

My hot take as I get older is that sports kinda fucking suck-the amount of heartbreak versus the amount of joy they bring is pretty lopsided.

You really have to focus on finding joy in other places outside of championships/perfection or, as Ohio State fans know all too well, you’ll just be miserable constantly.
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First of all, I hate you for making me relive that moment again however, Springs slipped in the 96 version of The Game in the Shoe and I believe the no- count worthless piece of living blowfish shit who got lucky was Tai Streets?

That said, you are right and Im sure I'm not the only one who had to take a big step back from letting young kids cause me heart trouble on game days and finding other outlets is crucial.

Of course anyone in a BP game thread knows I can still be a raving lunatic during a game. Hehe
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
First of all, I hate you for making me relive that moment again however, Springs slipped in the 96 version of The Game in the Shoe and I believe the no- count worthless piece of living blowfish shit who got lucky was Tai Streets?

That said, you are right and Im sure I'm not the only one who had to take a big step back from letting young kids cause me heart trouble on game days and finding other outlets is crucial.

Of course anyone in a BP game thread knows I can still be a raving lunatic during a game. Hehe
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You are, of course, correct, I’m conflating the ‘98 Michigan state heartbreak with the ‘96 Springs slip, and I split the middle on the year for good measure.
 
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Thump said:
Who would you recommend as a replacement at this time?
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Nobody. The post you quoted literally said I don't think he should have been fired. At the end of the day, the defense still improved, even if only from an F to a D. He earned a 2nd season but there needs to be much more improvement this year, especially considering all the returning starters and the support brought in via the portal. This defense should easily be above average at a minimum this season.
 
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brodybuck21 said:
Ohio State went 12-0 against non-CFP teams last year and nearly beat Georgia in the semifinals. But in its two losses, to Georgia and Michigan, the Buckeyes gave up an incredible eight gains of 45-plus yards – eight!! – and three of 75-plus. Jim Knowles enters his second year as defensive coordinator having already established the sort of risk-reward dynamic he eventually succeeded with at Oklahoma State. While Ohio State allowed 16 points per game against teams outside of the offensive SP+ top 15, its three best opponents averaged 39 per game. And now they have to replace four of last year's top six defensive backs. Question marks remain.

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"have to" replace 4 of their top 6 DBs?

Thats freaking hikarious.

Yeah and I "have" to bone my supermodel wife tonight.

The DB room was not only short of bodies, bit short on talent. The staff will be in a way better position this year with that group.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
And don't make me cite the LONG list of hall of fame coaches who struggled mightily in their first years with a program.
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Ryan Day has been the head coach of Ohio State for four years. Here is a list of head coaches since 1942 (Hall of Fame or otherwise) that have won at least one NC during his first four years at his school:

Head Coach College Year of First NC
Larry Coker Miami 1
Dennis Erickson Miami 1 (also year 3)
Bennie Oosterbaan Michigan 1
Paul Brown Ohio State 2
Jim Tressel Ohio State 2
Barry Switzer Oklahoma 2 (also year 3)
Bob Stoops Oklahoma 2
Urban Meyer Florida 2 (also year 4)
Gene Chizik Auburn 2
Urban Meyer (again) Ohio State 3
Nick Saban Alabama 3
Lou Holtz Notre Dame 3
Ara Parseghian Notre Dame 3
Frank Leahy Notre Dame 3 (also year 4)
Dan Devine Notre Dame 3
Pete Carrol Southern Cal 3 (also year 4)
John McKay Southern Cal 3
John Robinson Southern Cal 3
Lloyd Carr Michigan 3
Gene Stallings Alabama 3
Les Miles Louisiana State 3
Woody Hayes Ohio State 4
Bear Bryant Alabama 4
Jimmy Johnson Miami 4
Nick Saban (again) Louisiana State 4
Ed Orgeron Louisiana State 4
Paul Dietzel Louisiana State 4
Jimbo Fisher Florida State 4
Bobby Ross Georgia Tech 4
Red Blaik Army 4
Bud Wilkinson Oklahoma 4
Johnny Majors Pittsburgh 4
Danny Ford Clemson 4

A few other "Hall of Fame" coaches: Kirby Smart (year 6; also year 7); Steve Spurrier (year 7); Dabo Swinney (year 8; also year 10); Mack Brown (year 8).

The outliers on the list are Bobby Bowden (year 17; also year 19); Joe Paterno (year 17; also year 21); and Tom Osborne (year 21; also years 22 and 24), although none of them "struggled" (much less mightily) during his early years: Bowden had a .770 winning percentage prior to winning his first NC, while Osborne's was .811 and Paterno's was .819. It should be noted that Paterno began at Penn State in 1966; Osborne at Nebraska in 1973; and Bowden at Florida State in 1976. Needless to say, it was a different era back then. Ryan Day will be long gone before 17 years if he doesn't have at least one national championship. I'd say that Day has at most another four years to win it all before he is shown the door.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Ryan Day has been the head coach of Ohio State for four years. Here is a list of head coaches since 1942 (Hall of Fame or otherwise) that have won at least one NC during his first four years at his school:

Head Coach College Year of First NC
Larry Coker Miami 1
Dennis Erickson Miami 1 (also year 3)
Bennie Oosterbaan Michigan 1
Paul Brown Ohio State 2
Jim Tressel Ohio State 2
Barry Switzer Oklahoma 2 (also year 3)
Bob Stoops Oklahoma 2
Urban Meyer Florida 2 (also year 4)
Gene Chizik Auburn 2
Urban Meyer (again) Ohio State 3
Nick Saban Alabama 3
Lou Holtz Notre Dame 3
Ara Parseghian Notre Dame 3
Frank Leahy Notre Dame 3 (also year 4)
Dan Devine Notre Dame 3
Pete Carrol Southern Cal 3 (also year 4)
John McKay Southern Cal 3
John Robinson Southern Cal 3
Lloyd Carr Michigan 3
Gene Stallings Alabama 3
Les Miles Louisiana State 3
Woody Hayes Ohio State 4
Bear Bryant Alabama 4
Jimmy Johnson Miami 4
Nick Saban (again) Louisiana State 4
Ed Orgeron Louisiana State 4
Paul Dietzel Louisiana State 4
Jimbo Fisher Florida State 4
Bobby Ross Georgia Tech 4
Red Blaik Army 4
Bud Wilkinson Oklahoma 4
Johnny Majors Pittsburgh 4
Danny Ford Clemson 4

A few other "Hall of Fame" coaches: Kirby Smart (year 6; also year 7); Steve Spurrier (year 7); Dabo Swinney (year 8; also year 10); Mack Brown (year 8).

The outliers on the list are Bobby Bowden (year 17; also year 19); Joe Paterno (year 17; also year 21); and Tom Osborne (year 21; also years 22 and 24), although none of them "struggled" (much less mightily) during his early years: Bowden had a .770 winning percentage prior to winning his first NC, while Osborne's was .811 and Paterno's was .819. It should be noted that Paterno began at Penn State in 1966; Osborne at Nebraska in 1973; and Bowden at Florida State in 1976. Needless to say, it was a different era back then. Ryan Day will be long gone before 17 years if he doesn't have at least one national championship. I'd say that Day has at most another four years to win it all before he is shown the door.
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Great list! How many of those coaches were also in their first times as head coaches though?
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Ryan Day has been the head coach of Ohio State for four years. Here is a list of head coaches since 1942 (Hall of Fame or otherwise) that have won at least one NC during his first four years at his school:

Head Coach College Year of First NC
Larry Coker Miami 1
Dennis Erickson Miami 1 (also year 3)
Bennie Oosterbaan Michigan 1
Paul Brown Ohio State 2
Jim Tressel Ohio State 2
Barry Switzer Oklahoma 2 (also year 3)
Bob Stoops Oklahoma 2
Urban Meyer Florida 2 (also year 4)
Gene Chizik Auburn 2
Urban Meyer (again) Ohio State 3
Nick Saban Alabama 3
Lou Holtz Notre Dame 3
Ara Parseghian Notre Dame 3
Frank Leahy Notre Dame 3 (also year 4)
Dan Devine Notre Dame 3
Pete Carrol Southern Cal 3 (also year 4)
John McKay Southern Cal 3
John Robinson Southern Cal 3
Lloyd Carr Michigan 3
Gene Stallings Alabama 3
Les Miles Louisiana State 3
Woody Hayes Ohio State 4
Bear Bryant Alabama 4
Jimmy Johnson Miami 4
Nick Saban (again) Louisiana State 4
Ed Orgeron Louisiana State 4
Paul Dietzel Louisiana State 4
Jimbo Fisher Florida State 4
Bobby Ross Georgia Tech 4
Red Blaik Army 4
Bud Wilkinson Oklahoma 4
Johnny Majors Pittsburgh 4
Danny Ford Clemson 4

A few other "Hall of Fame" coaches: Kirby Smart (year 6; also year 7); Steve Spurrier (year 7); Dabo Swinney (year 8; also year 10); Mack Brown (year 8).

The outliers on the list are Bobby Bowden (year 17; also year 19); Joe Paterno (year 17; also year 21); and Tom Osborne (year 21; also years 22 and 24), although none of them "struggled" (much less mightily) during his early years: Bowden had a .770 winning percentage prior to winning his first NC, while Osborne's was .811 and Paterno's was .819. It should be noted that Paterno began at Penn State in 1966; Osborne at Nebraska in 1973; and Bowden at Florida State in 1976. Needless to say, it was a different era back then. Ryan Day will be long gone before 17 years if he doesn't have at least one national championship. I'd say that Day has at most another four years to win it all before he is shown the door.
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Coker and Erickson just cracked me up. They lucked into the biggest talent pool on earth...I hate the U but those both were some of the most talented teams to ever play.

Had that to get out of the way before saying excellent research and agreed. I love Ryan Day and believe he can get us there, but he's gotta beat ttun this year or at the very least his seat is going to be on fire. Especially with Gene on his way out.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Explain to me like I’m 5 how it’s a coaches fault that a player falls down.

And if you don’t believe the defense improved last season, I’ll leave this conversation alone right now. There’s no reasoning.
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The first time, it's not the supervisor' fault.
Maybe even the second time.

When you have repeated evidence that employee A doesn't have the ability to perform task X, and you assign him task X anyway ... that falls under deliberately setting your employees and your work section up for failure.
Part of all coaching jobs is to analyze what their players can and can't do. And you damn well know the opposition is doing the same thing, watching tape looking for things to exploit.

I don't hold Michigan against Knowles much. IMO that falls on Day.
But Georgia... damn. We had that and TCU was a speedbump.

Those 2 games combined, are a giant oof. Results are needed this year from both gentlemen.
 
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kujirakira said:
The first time, it's not the supervisor' fault.
Maybe even the second time.

When you have repeated evidence that employee A doesn't have the ability to perform task X, and you assign him task X anyway ... that falls under deliberately setting your employees and your work section up for failure.
Part of all coaching jobs is to analyze what their players can and can't do. And you damn well know the opposition is doing the same thing, watching tape looking for things to exploit.

I don't hold Michigan against Knowles much. IMO that falls on Day.
But Georgia... damn. We had that and TCU was a speedbump.

Those 2 games combined, are a giant oof. Results are needed this year from both gentlemen.
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So where did you see Lathan fall down in coverage or have any indication that he would do so while in coverage prior to the UGA game?

What repeated evidence was there? Are we just making things up now?
 
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Buckeye86 said:
I think the possibility is quite high that Knowles’ desire to implement the Jack position is being sabotaged by an old curmudgeonly DL coach who hates the idea of taking a DE off the field and refuses to (or at least is really bad at) implement(ing) it.

In this hypothetical scenario, let’s say that this DL coach is extremely established and successful (in addition to being curmudgeonly) and hard to override (or replace) while maintaining some semblance of cohesion amongst the coaches. There’s been rumors of a transition plan for years but there’s obviously something holding that up to the potential detriment of both recruiting and fully implementing what Knowles wants to do defensively.

If we accept these things as true, I think it’s highly likely that Sawyer was a compromise selection (especially after Melton was injured) to keep the DL coach happy by keeping one of his DL on the field, despite it being less than ideal for more than one reason.

Just to take my not-so-subtle digs at LJ Sr to the next level, I also think it is interesting that Day is on record this off season basically criticizing the DL rotation last season and insisting that the best players will be on the field more often this year (meanwhile the LB and DBs need to be rotated more… does anyone think Day’s job is easy? :lol:).

Is it any wonder that Day is trying to take a step back from the offensive preparation to take a more active role with the defense?

There’s plenty to criticize, but I am optimistic heading into the season.

I kinda get why back-to-back losses make others not optimistic about anything until that changes, but it is pretty grating to be exposed to constantly.
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