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HorseshoeFetish;2149683; said:
Ok but what if they had beaten Alabama the week before or the week after? Not then mind you but in a playoff format.
OK, and what if the sun was made of marmalade and the moon was made of crackers?
Buckyle's observation re: the regular season is my response.

Look - I'm just not impressed by any team that can play some weak ass schedule and go undefeated. We want Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Texas and so on to go undefeated against the "big boys" and yet we're just all googly eyed when Boise St. does it against toasted pastries? Give me a break. All the "big boys" would do just as well against Boise's schedule... or Hawaii that one year.. etc.
 
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Always enjoyed the Boise bashing myself. One argument was that they didn't have the talent - just look at the recruiting rankings.

Then they get six players drafted in this years draft - two in the first round. And Kellen Moore was not one of those. That is as many as the Big Ten champs and two more than one of my favorite teams.
 
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Oh8ch;2149711; said:
Always enjoyed the Boise bashing myself. One argument was that they didn't have the talent - just look at the recruiting rankings.

Then they get six players drafted in this years draft - two in the first round. And Kellen Moore was not one of those. That is as many as the Big Ten champs and two more than one of my favorite teams.
Illinois was pretty awesome this year. Oh you were serious... :so:

Many upstart programs have had to prove themselves. Until recently Boise was too arrogant to agree to road games like many of the previous underdogs who had to earn the right to home and Away series.
 
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Oh8ch;2149711; said:
Always enjoyed the Boise bashing myself. One argument was that they didn't have the talent - just look at the recruiting rankings.

Then they get six players drafted in this years draft - two in the first round. And Kellen Moore was not one of those. That is as many as the Big Ten champs and two more than one of my favorite teams.

Ryan Leaf was drafted before Payton Manning.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2149689; said:
Sept. 1 ^vs. Michigan Arlington, Tex. (Cowboys Stadium)
Sept. 8 Western Kentucky Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 15 *at Arkansas TBD
Sept. 22 Florida Atlantic Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 29 *Mississippi Bryant-Denny Stadium
Oct. 6 Open Date
Oct. 13 *at Missouri Columbia, Mo.
Oct. 20 *at Tennessee Knoxville, Tenn.
Oct. 27 *Mississippi State Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 3 *at LSU Baton Rouge, La.
Nov. 10 *Texas A&M Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 17 Western Carolina Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 24 *Auburn Bryant-Denny Stadium


Show me where Alabama has to play ANYBODY..Back to Back.

Edit..or LSU for that matter...

2012 LSU Football Schedule | Expanded Schedule
Sept. 1 North Texas
Sept. 8 Washington
Sept. 15 Idaho
Sept. 22 at Auburn
Sept. 29 Towson University
Oct. 6 at Florida
Oct. 13 South Carolina
Oct. 20 at Texas A&M
Nov. 3 Alabama
Nov. 10 Mississippi State
Nov. 17 Ole Miss
Nov. 23 or 24 at Arkansas

But Bammer plays both Western Kentucky and Western Carolina. I mean Bammer never plays teams from out West...:wink2:
 
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Sept. 1 ^vs. Michigan Arlington, Tex. (Cowboys Stadium)
Sept. 8 Western Kentucky Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 15 *at Arkansas TBD
Sept. 22 Florida Atlantic Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 29 *Mississippi Bryant-Denny Stadium
Oct. 6 Open Date
Oct. 13 *at Missouri Columbia, Mo.
Oct. 20 *at Tennessee Knoxville, Tenn.
Oct. 27 *Mississippi State Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 3 *at LSU Baton Rouge, La.
Nov. 10 *Texas A&M Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 17 Western Carolina Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 24 *Auburn Bryant-Denny Stadium


Show me where Alabama has to play ANYBODY..Back to Back.

Edit..or LSU for that matter...

2012 LSU Football Schedule | Expanded Schedule
Sept. 1 North Texas
Sept. 8 Washington
Sept. 15 Idaho
Sept. 22 at Auburn
Sept. 29 Towson University
Oct. 6 at Florida
Oct. 13 South Carolina
Oct. 20 at Texas A&M
Nov. 3 Alabama
Nov. 10 Mississippi State
Nov. 17 Ole Miss
Nov. 23 or 24 at Arkansas
I dunno.....Bama's first 2 games seem equally difficult.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2149689; said:
Sept. 1 ^vs. Michigan Arlington, Tex. (Cowboys Stadium)
Sept. 8 Western Kentucky Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 15 *at Arkansas TBD
Sept. 22 Florida Atlantic Bryant-Denny Stadium
Sept. 29 *Mississippi Bryant-Denny Stadium
Oct. 6 Open Date
Oct. 13 *at Missouri Columbia, Mo.
Oct. 20 *at Tennessee Knoxville, Tenn.
Oct. 27 *Mississippi State Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 3 *at LSU Baton Rouge, La.
Nov. 10 *Texas A&M Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 17 Western Carolina Bryant-Denny Stadium
Nov. 24 *Auburn Bryant-Denny Stadium


Show me where Alabama has to play ANYBODY..Back to Back.

Edit..or LSU for that matter...

2012 LSU Football Schedule | Expanded Schedule
Sept. 1 North Texas
Sept. 8 Washington
Sept. 15 Idaho
Sept. 22 at Auburn
Sept. 29 Towson University
Oct. 6 at Florida
Oct. 13 South Carolina
Oct. 20 at Texas A&M
Nov. 3 Alabama
Nov. 10 Mississippi State
Nov. 17 Ole Miss
Nov. 23 or 24 at Arkansas

'Bama plays LSU followed by A&M.

LSU plays UF follwed by South Carolina

All four of those teams are, in most every year of my life, better by a long fuckin' shot than anyone on Boise's schedule this year, with the exception of their one big non-bowl game they now schedule (MSU this year) to claim they don't only play the UNLV's of the world.

Link

Follow that link and show me where Boise plays ANYFUCKINGBODY after Sparty.
 
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BUCKYLE;2149695; said:
If you believe Boise, in any fucking season of their existence could run through a schedule of @tOSU, MSU, PSU, then @ Wisky without losing AT LEAST three games, then we're done here..

No, but I wouldn't deny that they have had some pretty decent teams.

Tangent:
What bothers me is that you would use the SEC to prove your point, it's just unholy. As far as I'm concerned if you are a Top team in the SEC you get a favorable schedule period. You will not play anyone Back to Back unless a team happens to have a breakout type season.

I also think the SEC has as many dog teams as any other major conference in the country. The big difference is no one is going to rank Illinois or Purdue in the top 10 early in the season so one of our top teams can get an early win against a top opponent.

I've said it before and I'll say it again..The SEC schedules their top teams better than any conference in the country. The BIG needs to do the same IMO. Hell I want to play Purdue the second game of the season when there is a miniscule chance they might be ranked..I want to play a Div II school the week before scUM much like Bama, LSU or whatever is the top SEC team heading into that season usually does. Instead we'll get PSU, Wisco, and scUM as our last three games. That's a lot of physical football to end a season and going into a playoff.

Back to Boise...I don't care one way or another about them..I do feel however that ANY team that goes undefeated should have a chance to play in a playoff system..It's not easy to win every game during a season regardless of who you play...and it doesn't matter what conference you are from, if you're in a playoff, and don't bring your A game..well that's on you.
 
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BearBuck27;2149715; said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf-...-start.html;_ylt=Ak75LA1KSwiMAXCTntjfftU5nYcB

Wetzel weighs in on what he thinks should be the format. I'm pretty much in agreement with everything. Especially point #2. Please, let this happen.

So many good lines but this one angers me.

"The NCAA tournament is not played on home floors ? for a reason," SEC commissioner Mike Slive.

I like the rebuttal since it applies to $EC as well with one of their major sports.

Please, no more comparing football to basketball. It's one of the great canards of all time. Why not use NCAA baseball as the standard and have double elimination?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;2149698; said:
yet we're just all googly eyed when Boise St. does it against toasted pastries? Give me a break./QUOTE]

I hope the new system has very little of your big school bias. OU was hardly a toasted pastry that year and Boise State was still an "outsider" that many didn't respect. The new system needs to allow teams like this who run the table a shot at the championship. I love OSU as much as anyone but I don't buy into the whole pedigree big conference bias. Personally I think a coaches/sportswriter vote system like the old days will help determine the top 4 teams and I don't care who they are if they can win 2 games then give them the hardware.

Toasted pastries.....you sound like Gordon. Sheesh.
 
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ShowMeBuck;2149765; said:
I hope the new system has very little of your big school bias. OU was hardly a toasted pastry that year and Boise State was still an "outsider" that many didn't respect. The new system needs to allow teams like this who run the table a shot at the championship. I love OSU as much as anyone but I don't buy into the whole pedigree big conference bias. Personally I think a coaches/sportswriter vote system like the old days will help determine the top 4 teams and I don't care who they are if they can win 2 games then give them the hardware.

Toasted pastries.....you sound like Gordon. Sheesh.
Keeping the Boise States of the world out of a playoff is not bias. It's bias elimination. If you say all 12-0 records are equal, or all 11-1 records are equal, for purposes of getting into a playoff, then you are giving the Boise States far easier access to the playoffs than the Ohio States of the world get. Because it's far easier for Boise to go 12-0 than it is for Ohio State to go 12-0. It's probably easier for Boise to go 12-0 than it is for Ohio State to go 10-2. Not because Boise is better than Ohio State, but because Boise typically plays maybe two opponents in the regular season who have a remotely realistic chance of beating any good D-1A team. Ohio State plays at least 5 or 6.

That's the difference. I'm not saying Boise doesn't put good teams on the field, or that they're not capable of beating BCS big-timers on a good day. They do, and they are. But the fact remains that their schedule simply doesn't allow them to earn their way into a playoff in anywhere near the same way that the BCS conference teams will be forced to. To fail to recognize that, and to fail to do something about it, would be an enormous bias. In Boise's favor.
 
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