College Playoff

[jwinslow]

USC Bowl Record:

24-9 Rose Bowl
8-7 Rest of Bowls

 

[Gatorubet]

I want geographic fairness in championship games. Period. It doesn't matter to me whether it's a small disadvantage or a large disadvantage, or an occasional disadvantage - I want that disadvantage removed. I understand you're on the other side of the coin, so it's not a big concern for you.

Because I said that your response was a 'crock of crap', after you erroneously researched the wrong games, and then changed the argument when the right games didn't suit your position, you apparently believe I need to calm down. I'm calm, and I don't think I need to be told to 'chill' by an SEC fan on this board.

You seem insistent on giving me advice. It's not appreciated in the least.

Your proposition - that y'all lost the 1973 Rose Bowl (and three others) due to its having been played in the Rose Bowl versus a California team:

It does not hold water..

....at least for that '73 ass-whipping.

I did use other non MNC games played by tOSU in support for the proposition that y'all can and did kick ass in Cali versus California teams. I think that is close enough to the core issue discussed to not be a "crock of crap". I see we disagree on that.

As to your larger point, it would be great to have geographical fairness so long as it did not promote an unfair weather conditions familiarity advantage to any team or teams. I do not know how you would accomplish the first without promoting the last, at least in late December and early January.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

As to your larger point, it would be great to have geographical fairness so long as it did not promote an unfair weather conditions familiarity advantage to any team or teams. I do not know how you would accomplish the first without promoting the last, at least in late December and early January.

We're not talking about the fucking Yukon. The average high temperature (and I'm assuming the game would take place mid-afternoon) is either 37 or 38 degrees for every day of the month.

For such a swaggering and tough talking bunch, you confederate boys sure seem scared of chapping your vaginas.

 

[Muck]

For such a swaggering and tough talking bunch, you confederate boys sure seem scared of chapping your vaginas.

You ever seen the roads in the south when it rains?

They look about like the highway of death heading north out of Kuwait City in 91.

 

[Gatorubet]

We're not talking about the [censored]ing Yukon. The average high temperature (and I'm assuming the game would take place mid-afternoon) is either 37 or 38 degrees for every day of the month.

Well, for you, Ord, they might insist on all day games and give away all of that prime time network advertising money. But it is also very possible that later kick off games would be somewhere between the average high you mentioned and the low you didn't.

For such a swaggering and tough talking bunch, you confederate boys sure seem scared of chapping your vaginas.

Since the SEC seems to have a strangle-hold on the BCS and BCSNC, having to play in unfamiliar conditions might just get everybody back in the MNC hunt. Head-to-head on weather neutral fields is obviously not doing that well for the rest of the other conferences. So maybe that would work. Like dumping an extra 20 lbs of weight on a winning horse, so to speak.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I can't say that I don't relish the idea of watching Alabama or USC have to play a semi game in 5 degrees temps and blowing snow. That, however, would be a great exception to the rule. Probably not much more likely than having to play a Rose Bowl during an El Nino downpour.

Weather fear is a straw man argument to avoid giving up playing for the national championship in your backyard almost every year. If the SEC vows to never play for a championship in NO or Miami, Texas vows to never play for one in Dallas or Houston and the California teams vow to never play for one in Pasadena, then I'll concede the point.

If they don't, then screw the playoffs and just go back to the old bowl system and let the polls sort it out on January 2nd.

 

[Gatorubet]

If they don't, then screw the playoffs and just go back to the old bowl system and let the polls sort it out on January 2nd.

Wait - you'd essentially volunteer again for geographical unfairness in the Grand Daddy of them All (drink!!)? Y'all are complicated beings.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Wait - you'd essentially volunteer again for geographical unfairness in the Grand Daddy of them All (drink!!)? Y'all are complicated beings.

Yes, because while the geographic bias would still exist, it wouldn't be wrapped up in some hypocritical and ultimately false notion that a true national champion was being crowned on a level playing field.

If geographic bias is going to remain then go back to the old school way. If we're going to have an NFL style playoff, then truly make it a true NFL style playoff, and that entails home field advantage until the championship game.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Gator, you must drink an awful lot of coffee to be able to keep up these pissing matches.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

I hope Delaney stays on top of this or a playoff will will surely be tainted.....

 

[BigWoof31]

Now take a bunch of kids who might have never seen snow let alone the total discomfort every hit has in that kind of weather and yes it can make a difference.

By using this logic, you guys should never recruit kids from Georgia or Florida because they won't be able to contribute until they get acclimated to the weather.

 

[BigWoof31]

Yes, because while the geographic bias would still exist, it wouldn't be wrapped up in some hypocritical and ultimately false notion that a true national champion was being crowned on a level playing field.

If geographic bias is going to remain then go back to the old school way.

This is why I support the neutral field suggestions of St. Louis (Ed Jones Dome) and Indianappolis (Lucas Oil) as BCS title spots.

If you don't like the commute, but the damn thing in the middle of the country so it's a fair commute for everyone. Split the tickets fairly and lets play.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

By using this logic, you guys should never recruit kids from Georgia or Florida because they won't be able to contribute until they get acclimated to the weather.

Really? So what you're telling me is that a kid that comes here as a freshman and spends time here, some close to a year...won't be any more acclimated to the weather than an entire team that has to make 1 trip to Columbus in December?

And you want to speak of logic?

 

[BB73]

As to your larger point, it would be great to have geographical fairness so long as it did not promote an unfair weather conditions familiarity advantage to any team or teams. I do not know how you would accomplish the first without promoting the last, at least in late December and early January.

Domed stadiums would certainly be one possibility. Maybe you weren't thinking very hard about how to achieve geographic fairness without having weather become a factor.

 

[BB73]

Your proposition - that y'all lost the 1973 Rose Bowl (and three others) due to its having been played in the Rose Bowl versus a California team:

It does not hold water..

....at least for that '73 ass-whipping.

That was simply not my proposition. I mentioned 4 Rose Bowl games that tOSU was involved in for potential MNCs for 1970s teams. To clarify for you - those games are for the Rose Bowls following the 1970, 1974, 1975, and 1979 seasons.

You can keep mentioning Rose Bowls that didn't relate to potential MNCs for tOSU, but my point was that a geographic disadvantage has been harmful to tOSU's attempt at winning MNCs in past bowl games. It could just be me, but I don't think mentioning other bowl games is adding any Posi-Traction to your argument.