College Playoff

[Fungo Squiggly]

I love the idea. Think that it does nothing but drive ratings and the "Football Final Four" will be a RIOT in Las Vegas. We'll have to come up with a better name than Football Final Four though...

Yeah, right. We now how you SEC boys would view it. The FFF....the best thing since the KKK.

2. What do we do about po-dunk college towns? Columbus doesn't have a hotel problem, Athens/Gainesville/Baton Rouge don't either.
What about Auburn, or Morgantown or Stillwater...etc

What do you do when the sites are awarded to towns that cannot host this type of event?

With all due respect, fuck them.

 

[Gatorubet]

Nope - you're wrong. Two of the games were 1-point losses: 18-17 in the 1975 Rose Bowl, and 17-16 in the 1980 Rose Bowl (1979 MNC game).

My bad. I was responding to

You might feel differently if your team lost 4 National Titles in the 1970s by playing a California team in the Rose Bowl each time.

and quick looked for Rose Bowl games in the 70s.

The game lost by 13 was against a team that tOSU had defeated by 21 in the regular season (in LA), and then had to play them again in the Rose Bowl.

tOSU took a lead into the 4th quarter in the 27-17 loss to Stanford, so it wasn't a typical 10-point loss.

Soooooooooooooo....... you beat them by 21 in LA. Which means you can do that thing you say is so much harder to do. You just got beat in the rematch. See UF-FSU, Bama-LSU. Happens more often than not. That ain't a "play in their backyard" issue. You kicked their butt in their backyard. That is a "lost the rematch" issue coupled with a "choked your game away" issue.

The one tOSU won wasn't for the National Title if they'd won it, that's why I didn't include it, or the 25-point loss.

So the unfair out-of-town negative mojo only works for NC games? Cool theory bro. :p

(Yeah, I know you aren't saying that. But it also undercuts the big hometown advantage thing when you show up and kick ass on their turf.)

But using your 3 point margin, I'd be happy with an additional 2 National Titles for tOSU if those games had been played at neutral sites, regardless of the temperature at those sites.

Sounds more like you Coopered those games than lost due to geography, using your facts. Guess I just see it as less of a factor than y'all.

And if avoiding playing title games in the other team's backyard (unless that same possibility exists for tOSU) can get tOSU 2 additional NCs in my remaining lifetime, I'm damn sure going to be arguing for it.

It would defy all the rules of college football fandom not to do so. I'm not advising you to drop the theory. If it were my team I'd be beating that drum. Whether it had a bucket full of validity is an altogether other matter.

 

[BB73]

My bad. I was responding to and quick looked for Rose Bowl games in the 70s.


Soooooooooooooo....... you beat them by 21 in LA. Which means you can do that thing you say is so much harder to do. You just got beat in the rematch. See UF-FSU, Bama-LSU. Happens more often than not. That ain't a "play in their backyard" issue. You kicked their butt in their backyard. That is a "lost the rematch" issue coupled with a "choked your game away" issue.



So the unfair out-of-town negative mojo only works for NC games? Cool theory bro. :p

(Yeah, I know you aren't saying that. But it also undercuts the big hometown advantage thing when you show up and kick ass on their turf.)


Sounds more like you Coopered those games than lost due to geography, using your facts. Guess I just see it as less of a factor than y'all.



It would defy all the rules of college football fandom not to do so. I'm not advising you to drop the theory. If it were my team I'd be beating that drum. Whether it had a bucket full of validity is an altogether other matter.

So when your mistaken look at bowl games only came up with 1 game within your 3-point geographical advantage, you discounted it as a factor since it was only, in theory, 1 MNC less for for tOSU.

When shown that it was actually two MNCs lost by a single point to a hometown team, you attribute it to a coaching letdown associated with a guy that wasn't at tOSU until the late '80s.

Got it. It's a crock of crap.

And thanks for not advising me to drop the theory. Because that [sarcasm] REALLY [/sarcasm] would have affected my whole outlook on college football playoffs.

I only want tOSU to have the same geographic advantage or disadvantage as everybody else. If SEC fans can't understand the fairness of that position, I'm not sure what to say.

 

[Saw31]

1. Fuck playoffs.

2. Fuck playoffs that don't award home field.

3. Fuck college games in NFL stadiums.

4. Fuck playoffs.

5. Fuck M*ch*g*n.

 

[jwinslow]

With all due respect, fuck them.

Like schools that waited 130 years to hold a night game because they make folks park on a golf course.

 

[mercer_buckeye]

College Playoff (Official BP Thread of the Word Fuck)

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Like schools that waited 130 years to hold a night game because they make folks park on a golf course.

Especially them.

 

[Gatorubet]

So when your mistaken look at bowl games only came up with 1 game within your 3-point geographical advantage, you discounted it as a factor since it was only, in theory, 1 MNC less for for tOSU.

Nah. Just sayin' you using stats that include a year where you went OOC and kicked their ass points more toward the bad-assness of the team being a far greater factor than the fact it was in California.

When shown that it was actually two MNCs lost by a single point to a hometown team, you attribute it to a coaching letdown associated with a guy that wasn't at tOSU until the late '80s.

Got it. It's a crock of crap.

Chill. I was referring to the loss where you had booted a lead despite previously kicking their ass. The verb "to Cooper", "Coopering" meant, I thought, to show up with a better team and lose. Never meant to imply who was head coach on the day of the game. Bottom line Bill is this - what I said in my post

Guess I just see it as less of a factor than y'all.

That is not me discounting everything you say. It is me saying that - IMO - it is not as big a deal as you maintain. Of course playing LSU in the Dome is great for LSU. That is obvious. But I do not think the whole "play down south" think it is as big a deal as you seem to think. See the fact that the ACC still sucks when you play in their backyard. Agree to disagree man.

And thanks for not advising me to drop the theory. Because that [sarcasm] REALLY [/sarcasm] would have affected my whole outlook on college football playoffs.

I'm always here for you.

I only want tOSU to have the same geographic advantage or disadvantage as everybody else. If SEC fans can't understand the fairness of that position, I'm not sure what to say.

Again, we get the concept. Don't think it makes that much difference. We did not beat an Oklahoma team averaging over 60 points because of the game being held in Miami. We beat them because we had a kick ass D and Percy Harvin was playing in beast mode while hurt. You are the Ohio State University. Show up and win because you have a legendary program with legendary coaches. FSU in the dynasty period did not win because of geography. They went and kicked ass because they had good coaching and better recruiting. They lost the last decade because of who suited up and what dotard was coaching, not because of which bowl game was played where.

I get why you'd like to play up North. But Florida did not lose to the Corn in '95 because of where we played, and we did not win in Glendale in '07 because of where we played. I hear your complaint. I just don't think it has the impact you seem to think it does. No problem. It is not worth getting mad about.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

Ask the Chargers...

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Now take a bunch of kids who might have never seen snow let alone the total discomfort every hit has in that kind of weather and yes it can make a difference.

 

[Gatorubet]

Now take a bunch of kids who might have never seen snow let alone the total discomfort every hit has in that kind of weather and yes it can make a difference.

Different deal. Of course having to play in January in the snow will make a freaking difference. That would be a huge advantage to a northern team. I just don't think the inverse is correspondingly huge. If you are going south one can prepare in an indoor practice field for the game down south. You can't really prepare for frozen ground and ten degrees with the wind blowing if you live in Miami. Of course I agree playing outside in the cold in late December would be a difference maker. That is obvious.

 

[Zurp]

I know that many people have made this an issue of weather/climate. I think Gator said it years ago, that the ability or inability to play in <insert weather here> does not make the team better or worse. If you want to see who is the better team, don't throw in something like weather. (See: Ohio State vs. M*ch*gan, 1950.)

The issue, to me, is home-field advantage - the crowd. I don't know how much influence the crowd has on the game, and I don't know that I care. Whatever advantage that gives one team, however slim it may be, the better-seeded team should get it. If you want to make weather an issue, I'm willing to say that the better-seeded team has to pick a location in a dome, as long as they still get 85-90% of the tickets.

And as far as hotels in that city go, why would a semi-final game in a college home stadium be any different than a normal home game? Maybe I'm missing something. But I like the idea that if the home team doesn't think they can support a semi-final game in their city, they should get to choose where they move it. If Bowling Green is ranked #1, and they don't think they can handle it there, they should be allowed to move the game to Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus, or Indianapolis fairly easily. BGSU won't be totally surprised by this instance, either, so they would be able to have started to make preparations ahead of time.

 

[BB73]

Nah. Just sayin' you using stats that include a year where you went OOC and kicked their ass points more toward the bad-assness of the team being a far greater factor than the fact it was in California.

Chill. I was referring to the loss where you had booted a lead despite previously kicking their ass. The verb "to Cooper", "Coopering" meant, I thought, to show up with a better team and lose. Never meant to imply who was head coach on the day of the game. Bottom line Bill is this - what I said in my post

That is not me discounting everything you say. It is me saying that - IMO - it is not as big a deal as you maintain. Of course playing LSU in the Dome is great for LSU. That is obvious. But I do not think the whole "play down south" think it is as big a deal as you seem to think. See the fact that the ACC still sucks when you play in their backyard. Agree to disagree man.

I'm always here for you.

Again, we get the concept. Don't think it makes that much difference. We did not beat an Oklahoma team averaging over 60 points because of the game being held in Miami. We beat them because we had a kick ass D and Percy Harvin was playing in beast mode while hurt. You are the Ohio State University. Show up and win because you have a legendary program with legendary coaches. FSU in the dynasty period did not win because of geography. They went and kicked ass because they had good coaching and better recruiting. They lost the last decade because of who suited up and what dotard was coaching, not because of which bowl game was played where.

I get why you'd like to play up North. But Florida did not lose to the Corn in '95 because of where we played, and we did not win in Glendale in '07 because of where we played. I hear your complaint. I just don't think it has the impact you seem to think it does. No problem. It is not worth getting mad about.

I want geographic fairness in championship games. Period. It doesn't matter to me whether it's a small disadvantage or a large disadvantage, or an occasional disadvantage - I want that disadvantage removed. I understand you're on the other side of the coin, so it's not a big concern for you.

Because I said that your response was a 'crock of crap', after you erroneously researched the wrong games, and then changed the argument when the right games didn't suit your position, you apparently believe I need to calm down. I'm calm, and I don't think I need to be told to 'chill' by an SEC fan on this board.

You seem insistent on giving me advice. It's not appreciated in the least.

 

[EgonSchiele]

In ten years global warming will make this argument moot.

 

[NastyNatiBuck]

I am so excited about a playoff. Sure it will screw good teams over, but playoffs are way more exciting than bowls. I would love a 16 team playoff. I realize that won't happen for now. For now, it will be a 4 team playoff. In 10 years or so, it will be at least an 8 team, if not a 12 or 16 team playoff though. 16 teams is probably more than who deserves to be there, but it will be fun to watch. No one gives a damn when some team in basketball gets hot in March and makes a run to the championship game as a 4 seed. It is fun to watch.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Ohio State has played for a national championship eight times since the final polls were done after the bowls.

Twice, they played a Florida team in Arizona for .500 winning percentage.

Five times, they played a California team in California and once a Louisiana team in Louisiana. They won one of those games for a 17% winning percentage.

How is this any more of a fair system than having SEC or SoCal teams play a semi in the Great Lakes region?