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Cleveland Indians (2017 Official Thread of CHOKE)

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Zippercat said:
Meh. Stop all the whining. To me this team is playing almost exactly the same as the '16 team did. Except for last year's June winning streak and the white hot run from late September through the post season, they were just a few games over .500 club. Here's the 2016 month by month regular season record:
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The one problem with your analysis is that last year all of the starting pitchers were healthy until they had the Division all locked up. I think the only guy that we can count on right now is Kluber and sometimes Cookie. The other guys scare me every time they take the mound. Also, you better hope that Detroit starts having their yearly injuries or I do not think we will win the Central. Some guys need to start hitting the fucking ball.
 
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Zippercat said:
Meh. Stop all the whining. To me this team is playing almost exactly the same as the '16 team did. Except for last year's June winning streak and the white hot run from late September through the post season, they were just a few games over .500 club. Here's the 2016 month by month regular season record:

April 10-11
May 16-13
June 22-6
July 12-12
August 16-14
September 16-11
October 2-0

Season. 94-67

Nothing they've done in the past should have created the expectations that this team will win over 100 regular season games. The Twinkies, like last year's hot start White Sux, will fade. The Tiggers' injuries and self destructing pen will keep them from contending and the Tribe will win the Central.

IF they get hot in October they'll go deep in the playoffs again. If they don't get hot then, they'll be swept by the Astros.
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Except the starting pitching is ass and not healthy this season.

Salazar's ERA was 2.97 at the end of July before he wore out and fell off the injury cliff...............This year he has a 5.40 ERA currently and has been demoted to the bullpen

Tomlin's ERA was 3.8 in early August before he started getting lit up, this year he's shown very little signs of being able to pitch that well, rocking a 5.73 ERA into mid-June

Hell even Bauer was much better last year, his ERA was under 4 a good chunk of the year until September hit (and he was awful in the playoffs) this year he has show no signs of decency except maybe 1 or 2 starts. 5.85 ERA in Mid-June

It's been a huge dropoff of what it was last year, even at this point.

I don't see this squad having the ability to go on a long streak or two considering.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Except the starting pitching is ass and not healthy this season.

Salazar's ERA was 2.97 at the end of July before he wore out and fell off the injury cliff...............This year he has a 5.40 ERA currently and has been demoted to the bullpen

Tomlin's ERA was 3.8 in early August before he started getting lit up, this year he's shown very little signs of being able to pitch that well, rocking a 5.73 ERA into mid-June

Hell even Bauer was much better last year, his ERA was under 4 a good chunk of the year until September hit (and he was awful in the playoffs) this year he has show no signs of decency except maybe 1 or 2 starts. 5.85 ERA in Mid-June

It's been a huge dropoff of what it was last year, even at this point.

I don't see this squad having the ability to go on a long streak or two considering.
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I agree with this...long winning streaks are made by pitching (unless you have Judge apparently), and we don't have guys that are even keeping us in the ballgame half the time.
 
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The only thing the Tribe has going for them right now, and it's a big thing, is that the rest of the division is shitty as well.

85 wins (maybe even less) might take the AL Central this year. Detroit, KC and CWS all arent really much thread. Not sure if the Twins can keep up all year, so as long as they don't fall too far off they are going to have a shot to make the playoffs in the end.
 
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The MLB Draft is the biggest crap shoot there is but I like the Indians strategy this year of drafting risk/reward high upside players with early picks, rather than going for the safe play low upside college type.

OF Quentin Holmes was the first pick (64th overall) MLB pipeline had him ranked 33rd, supposedly the fastest played in the draft with legit 80 grade speed

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2017/6/1...d-indians-select-of-quentin-holmes-no-64-pick

Holmes is a burner, graded with a max 80 speed by MLB Pipeline, which says he’s the fastest player in this draft. He’s 17 years old, stands 6’1 and has potential to add more power as his frame fills out. Despite playing in the northeast, he was still talented enough to be a member of the 18-and-under U.S. National Team. From what I’ve read, his hit tool is a bit of a gamble at this point, but it’s a big risk/reward if the team can find the leadoff hitter of the future.
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2nd pick was IF Tyler Freeman (71 overall, ranked 141 by MLB Pipeline)

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2017/6/1...nd-indians-select-ss-2b-tyler-freeman-71-pick

When he's at his best, he's a high contact, line-drive hitter, one who should grow into some power naturally in the future. While he's not a burner, he is an above-average runner, especially once underway. If he can continue to swing the bat like he's capable, he could develop into a Michael Young type.
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3rd Pick was another OF Johnathan Rodriguez

http://www.scout.com/mlb/indians/story/1784647-2017-indians-3rd-rd-pick-johnathan-rodriguez

Johnathan Rodriguez is not on many boards, but a big reason for that is the fact he reclassified to be draft eligible at the start of March. He is the third straight young bat for the Indians. Rodriguez is the youngest of the group. He also has the highest ceiling of the group. He is a big kid, with plus bat speed. He instantly becomes one better power bats in the system in terms of potential future grade. He has a strong arm as a pitcher so profiles fine in right field. Chance he could be tried as a pitcher if he fails as a hitter as arm is that strong. He could end up a special talent, nice get for the Indians whose late reclassify caused him to miss out on half of the draft season and scouting.
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Along with 37 other picks who we will probably likely never hear the name of most of them. But hey, it's fun to take a look at.
 
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I just do not understand why Franconia keeps on hitting Santana in the middle of the lineup. He is really stinking up the place this season. Of course, it is a contract year.

I am also not sure about batting Kip in the leadoff position. I would like to see Lindor hit there if he cuts down on his home runs swing.
 
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Something I think I read around here before: the nice thing about winning three games in a row is that it gives you a chance to win four in a row!

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