If they give Bennett and Wiggins and 2 first round picks, I'll be pissed. Terrible trade for Cleveland in that case.
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Yeah, you'll be pissed until you turn the TV on in October and Olivier Sedra (still that guy?) calls the name of LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love as starters for the Cavs...
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May still be pissed, because if Cleveland doesn't win a title (or more) within five years with that top-3 then they're royally fucked from that point on...
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If they can't win with that Big-3, I think we can just assume Cleveland as a whole is fucked and never winning any titles anyway.
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The point is to win titles, not maybe be good in 5 years. The reality is, if you have LeBron, and he leaves, you're royally fucked when he leaves, that's just how the NBA works. So, be more pissed if they don't do what it takes to win titles when you have them.
Personally, I'm ok either way at this point.
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I agree with going for it, but the Wolves basically played their hand already. LBJ and Love want to play with each other to the point that they are basically nixing every deal that doesnt accomplish it. If Wiggins and Bennett, don't include the picks. One or the other and the picks would do it. I don't want a total mortgage of the Cav's future. When it could be done without destroying the entire foundation of the team I'd be much happier giving that up vs everything for a great player who doesnt have the best track record for staying healthy. If Love and Kyrie go down at the same time, Lebron can't win by himself.
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ArmyVet83
Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!
Plus if Lebron does leave AND the Cavs trade picks AND current assets (Wiggins espcially) for Love AND he leaves as well then the Cavs are beyond royally fucked.
That's why I think the Cavs should wait and hold out until they get the deal that benefits them both short and long term. I do not think Love (alone with LBJ and KI) puts the Cavs over the top to win championships.
IMO, Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters > Love. Both offensively and defensively. Just my opinion.
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I think you assume that we need Love to win titles even with LBJ back. I think we can win a title or two with the current lineup...it may take a couple years to do it, but I think we can.
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I am far, far, far from a LeBron fan in any sense, but I think the chances of him leaving again are slim-to-none. He's extremely image conscious after the 2010 debacle and seems very cognizant of his legacy. Leaving the Cavs in a lurch again would cement him as a villain, a role he obviously is very uncomfortable playing.
He "came home" to rebuild the damage he did in 2010, so leaving again would be totally counterproductive to that. The only way he bails again is if the Cavs front office proves to be totally incompetent and bungles up everything. Granted, this is cleveland, so that's entirely possible, but I believe LeBron is in this for the long haul and plans on finishing his career where it began.
I'd also hope that if the DO make a deal for Love that includes Wiggins, it would come with some assurances that Love is also in it long term. I think the allure of playing on a potential perrenial title contender with the best player on the planet right now would be enough to cement that. LeBron's pull would be huge in making that happen. Of course, if he turns around and Boozers them, they could be in some trouble.
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My assumption is that they can contend, like make the finals at least immediately, with Love, and probably win as soon as next year with him. I think its probably a little further off without him. Here's the thing. (and to whoever said, if he leaves, they're hosed, I agree) My assumption is that they have an agreement in place for a multiyear deal. Remember, LeBron has opt outs coming out his ass, so, I'd prefer to put the best team out there now.
Also, to Army Vet, I'm assuming Waiters is not in the deal, but obviously I don't know that for sure. As to the draft picks, if Bennett and Wiggins are what you hope, the draft picks are a bunch of Euro Stashed nothing, no one cares about them. You have to be able to make the team, and if the team is, as we would hope (whether the trade goes through or not), a core of stars and veteran role players, its gonna be hard for a late first rounder to get a spot down the bench or minutes to develop them.
Again, I'm good either way, really.
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Personally, I know people get ticked when the think LeBron is "playing front office" but, he's been around enough to know how to put this together and not to, I'd just ask him what he wants, honestly and do it.
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matcar
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I believe any front office can screw this up and certainly Cleveland's is more than capable of doing so. But I doubt it, and I really think LeBron wants to win one for the home team. I would think that a win now mentality is the only sensible thing. Make it happen Cavs.
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I'd tend to agree. But the one issue in that is that would require Wiggins to realize his potential. I think he will, but it's no guarantee. You have to figure LeBron has 5-6 good to great years left in him. But, you also have to hope LeBron stays healthy. He has thus far, but that's never guaranteed. I don't want them to move Wiggins. I also think they can win without Love, but I understand the logic in making the move to capitalize as soon as possible.
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Plus, in 2016, Durant enters FA and you never know where he goes. I don't think he stays in OKC. He's the kind of player that could shift the balance of power away from Cleveland pretty easily if some team zeroes in on him and surrounds him with other stars.
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I don't think it's a Wiggins and Waiters thing. One of those players will be the staring SG for the Cavs this season. If Wiggins is part of the deal I don't want to give up more than 1 future pick if any. Preferably the worst of our picks next year.
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