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Cleveland Browns (2014 Season)

If he is sitting at #4 (I heard the offer would the their 1st (16) nd 2nd (47) this year and their 1st next year. Would you take that trade?

Depends on whom you are. I love Watkins potential but he had injury history. Obviously we would all love a solid #2 WR. The good news is this draft is deep with good receivers. At 16 we could draft the best guard or WR available. The 2 second rounders would give us flexibility to draft two receivers or a receiver and a running back. Take your QB at 26. Just a ton of options. The only problem I might have is that we'll miss out on the elite tackle prospects. If Pettine feels this line can hold its own and Mitchell has recovered from his injury that made him look like a d3 player for half the year, then I'll put my trust in coach. I wouldn't have a problem with it myself. Provided Pettine doesn't either. Plus it would prevent us from taking Manziel at 4.
 
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My personal opinion is that if you wait until #26 to draft a QB, you might as well wait until the 3rd round. I see no real talent-gap between Carr/Garapolo and McCarron/Mettenberger/Savage/Murray/etc. The only real talent-gap I see is Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater...after that, you have a 2nd tier of talent in Carr, Garapolo, McCarron, Mettengerber, etc. where the gap seems negligible.
 
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My personal opinion is that if you wait until #26 to draft a QB, you might as well wait until the 3rd round. I see no real talent-gap between Carr/Garapolo and McCarron/Mettenberger/Savage/Murray/etc. The only real talent-gap I see is Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater...after that, you have a 2nd tier of talent in Carr, Garapolo, McCarron, Mettengerber, etc. where the gap seems negligible.

I agree, but there's always a chance one of those top tier guys falls to 26 or even low enough that you could move up a handful of picks to get the guy you want.
 
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I agree, but there's always a chance one of those top tier guys falls to 26 or even low enough that you could move up a handful of picks to get the guy you want.

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I agree, but there's always a chance one of those top tier guys falls to 26 or even low enough that you could move up a handful of picks to get the guy you want.
The writer over at the Scout Browns site who does a lot of evaluating thinks that Mettenberger would make a good NFL QB given a season of backup. Has some mobility and a very good arm along with playing in a semi professional type of game.
 
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Here's where I am... as long as they take the BPA at #4 (or trade back and take the BPA then, I'm just saying if say, Watkins is gone an that's who they really wanted) I'm fine with pretty much anything else they do. (I'll back off that a bit and say I'll give them a pass if Mack is the BPA and they take someone else - but not Clowney, its my opinion that everyone who doesn't draft him is committing a fireable offense no matter who is on your team... its like everyone that let Terrell Suggs fall to 12 or whatever). But anyway, that's just where I am, I can't expect them to not take a QB at 26 when that's the biggest need. And with the other picks there will be good WR's, RB's and CB's on the board. So... yeah. I'm good with some modest trade ups that aren't reaches so long as it doesn't involve picks next year.
 
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My personal opinion is that if you wait until #26 to draft a QB, you might as well wait until the 3rd round. I see no real talent-gap between Carr/Garapolo and McCarron/Mettenberger/Savage/Murray/etc. The only real talent-gap I see is Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater...after that, you have a 2nd tier of talent in Carr, Garapolo, McCarron, Mettengerber, etc. where the gap seems negligible.

What if at #26 you have Bortles or Bridgewater there? more and more you hear the top QBs are slipping in the draft.

But in my opinion... I like Carr and Garapolo way more than McCarron/Mettenberger as I think those last two won't do anything in the NFL.
 
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What if at #26 you have Bortles or Bridgewater there? more and more you hear the top QBs are slipping in the draft.

But in my opinion... I like Carr and Garapolo way more than McCarron/Mettenberger as I think those last two won't do anything in the NFL.
I think MettenACL could be a decent NFL guy if he heals up properly. I agree on McCarron though.

King has every QB but Johnny available at 26...I don't know if that will happen, but if they are, they'd be hard pressed not to take one or the other.
 
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I think MettenACL could be a decent NFL guy if he heals up properly. I agree on McCarron though.

King has every QB but Johnny available at 26...I don't know if that will happen, but if they are, they'd be hard pressed not to take one or the other.

Doesn't help Metzenberger failed the drug test and was red flaged for a back issue by some teams. I think he might drop like a rock. Now if he is there in the 5th round, I am not against picking 2 QBs in this draft.
 
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Doesn't help Metzenberger failed the drug test and was red flaged for a back issue by some teams. I think he might drop like a rock. Now if he is there in the 5th round, I am not against picking 2 QBs in this draft.
Oh I agree, I wouldn't pick him in the top 3 rounds right now...I'm just saying that eventually, when all is said and done, he could be more Matt Schaub than Brady Quinn. He won't be a superstar, but I think he can play if his health holds up.
 
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Doesn't help Metzenberger failed the drug test and was red flaged for a back issue by some teams. I think he might drop like a rock. Now if he is there in the 5th round, I am not against picking 2 QBs in this draft.

I had never heard of the back issue. I always felt he had the "look" of an NFL passer. I very much agree about any QB dropping to the later rounds. Especially the 5th. I'd have no hesitation taking one or both if I were Farmer.
 
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I can hear the argument that if the first three picks pass by and no QBs are taken, it could look likely they could wait and get Bridgewater/Bortles at #26. It is possible too (not at all likely imo). Texans could take Clowney, Rams take a tackle, and the Jags take Mack or Watkins (if you don't want Maziel, then you likely want Mack taken so you can get Watkins). I still think you see Tampa take Manziel in that scenario (they love him) and no way Dallas would pass (though no way he falls out of the top 10 imo). I think it is almost a guarantee that Bortles gets picked by Minnesota, total Zimmer-crush...there is a possibility they go with a linebacker instead though, such as Mosley or Barr. In any event, no way Bortles slips to #26.

Beyond that, you have the possibility of Bridgewater being picked up anywhere before #26 and I think it is likely with all of the following needing QBs and picking before then: Houston, Jacksonville, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and Arizona. Not all of those teams will take QBs in the first but they don't have to...only three of the six need to. I just think why pass on a QB at #4 when there is a clear need to address that position immediately, rather than wait around the table for scraps at #26? Further, I think the value at the WR position is inordinately higher with the deep draft class. Any of Cooks, Benjamin, Lattimore, Beckham, Matthews, or Lee would be great picks there. A number of those guys WILL be available there (probably one or two in the second round) and whether any of the top 3 QBs are there is a giant question mark.
 
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