Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[billmac91]

Weeden seems like a good guy. Rather intelligent. I want him to be successful. But good
God. 29 years old? With the best ot and og available nonetheless. Still no WR's or
Right side of the online. Incredible.... That said. Need martin. Perhaps Reuben Randall.
Wouldn't mind seeing janoris Jenkins in the 4th 5th

It's never a good thing when one of your first round picks says at his presser "I still have a lot left in my tank".

Hahahaha

 

[LitlBuck]

Mary Cay Kabot gave the browns an A!!!!!

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2012/04/cleveland_browns_earned_an_a_g.html

Wonder what Tony Grossi has to say...

I know you really don't care but before the draft he thought the Browns should go Richardson, Wright, Massie.

 

[stowfan]

On top of it all, remember all the hype about having 13 picks. After looking it up, we had :

2 1st
1 2nd
1 3rd
2 4th
1 5th
3 6th
3 7th

In other words, we really don't have too many choice picks at all.:(

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Go receiver at 37, then you still have a swing gate at RT. Weeden was just a horribly short sighted move. Unbelievably dumb.

Wrong. Weeden was the right choice. You start with the QB and build from there. One of the main reasons that the Browns have sucked for the past 13 years is that they have had lousy QB play.

Let Colt have one more shot.

Wrong. Colt is a bum, a career back-up at best, and a whiner in the locker room.

If they were really building towards something long term, they take the T or G at 22 to help Richardson.

Wrong. You don't take a RG or RT at 22, unless you are already a Super Bowl contender, and you really don't need anything else. There are plenty of good OL left for the second and third rounds.

If he fails, which is admittedly is quite likely, you take a YOUNG QB in the Top-5 next spring...hell, maybe Barkley #1 overall.

Wrong, You don't worry about next year's draft until next year.

Weeden is the 3rd is fine, I could've got behind that. If he wasn't there, so what?

So what? So you don't have an NFL-caliber QB in 2012, that's what. And there's no guarantee that you get your guy in next year's draft. If the Browns' brain trust feels that Weeden is a quality NFL QB (and I'm not saying that he will be), then they were absolutely correct to take him when they did.

I'm seeing people say we can get 6-7 "good" years out of him. There's problems with that.

Not really.

I went back and looked at every Super Bowl QB from the 1981 season to the 2011 season, and here's how long each QB was in the league before getting to the Super Bowl:

Joe Montana: 3 years
Ken Anderson: 11 years
Joe Theisman: 9 years
David Woodley: 3 years
Jim Plunkett: 10 years
Dan Marino: 2 years
Jim McMahon: 4 years
Tony Eason: 3 years
Phil Simms: 8 years
John Elway: 4 years
Doug Williams: 10 years
Boomer Esiason: 5 years
Jim Kelly: 8 years
Mark Rypien: 6 years
Troy Aikman: 4 years
Steve Young: 9 years
Neil O'Donnell: 6 years
Stan Humphries: 7 years
Brett Favre: 6 years
Drew Bledson: 4 years
Chris Chandler: 10 years
Kurt Warner: 3 years
Steve McNair: 5 years
Trent Dilfer: 7 years
Kerry Collins: 6 years
Tom Brady: 2 years
Rich Gannon: 16 years
Brad Johnson: 11 years
Jake Delhomme: 7 years
Donovan McNabb: 6 years
Matt Hasselback: 8 years
Peyton Manning: 9 years
Rex Grossman: 4 years
Ben Roethlisberger: 2 years
Eli Manning: 4 years
Drew Brees: 9 years
Aaron Rodgers: 6 years

So, the average QB made it to the Super Bowl in 6.4 years, and 24 of the 37 QB's (65%) made it in 7 years or less. If Weeden is the guy - and I'm not saying that he is - then we'll know by year seven. And many of the QB's on that list made it to the conference championship game much sooner, for example Donovan McNabb in year three, and Peyton Manning in year six.

Even if Weeden's not the guy, then he's still an big upgrade from Colt McCoy.

 

[Buckeneye]

Wouldn't mind seeing a bundle here to get something else in
The 2nd or 3rd

 

[y0yoyoin]

On top of it all, remember all the hype about having 13 picks. After looking it up, we had :

2 1st
1 2nd
1 3rd
2 4th
1 5th
3 6th
3 7th

In other words, we really don't have too many choice picks at all.:(

2 more picks in the top 100...and we traded 3 picks in the later rounds for our franchise RB...i fail to see the problem here

 

[OH10]

Wrong. Weeden was the right choice. You start with the QB and build from there. One of the main reasons that the Browns have sucked for the past 13 years is that they have had lousy QB play.

You're assuming you can go with just any QB. Browns made the same mistake with Quinn in that false assumption.

Wrong. Colt is a bum, a career back-up at best, and a whiner in the locker room.

No argument here except the whiner part. Not sure where that is coming from.

Wrong. You don't take a RG or RT at 22, unless you are already a Super Bowl contender, and you really don't need anything else. There are plenty of good OL left for the second and third rounds.

You do if you just took what you think is a future HOFer at running back and you're planning a ground and pound offensive attack. But if you're going to forcefeed the westcoast offense, then I guess you don't. The Browns are determined to forcefeed; until next year when the front office is cleaned out and we're stuck with mediocre westcoast offense talent in a black and blue division.

Wrong, You don't worry about next year's draft until next year.

So even if you're not a Super Bowl contender (which you so adequately pointed out), you don't plan for the future? You plan for the present? I'm confused.

So what? So you don't have an NFL-caliber QB in 2012, that's what. And there's no guarantee that you get your guy in next year's draft. If the Browns' brain trust feels that Weeden is a quality NFL QB (and I'm not saying that he will be), then they were absolutely correct to take him when they did.

Trust the coaches! /sarcasm

Yeah, let's trust the same guys who drafted that "whiner" and "bum" Colt McCoy in the first place. Good idea.

So, the average QB made it to the Super Bowl in 6.4 years, and 24 of the 37 QB's (65%) made it in 7 years or less. If Weeden is the guy - and I'm not saying that he is - then we'll know by year seven. And many of the QB's on that list made it to the conference championship game much sooner, for example Donovan McNabb in year three, and Peyton Manning in year six.

Great. So we'll know by the time he's 36 years old whether he's the guy. I can't express how awesome that makes me feel.

Even if Weeden's not the guy, then he's still an big upgrade from Colt McCoy.

Fallacious argument. The complaint here is wasting a first-round pick on a quarterback. It isn't about Weeden vs. Colt. We could get some guys out there as undrafted free agents who are probably better than Colt.

 

[Bucklion]

Plus I would add that Alex Mack has worked out very well for this team. I would argue that the second half of the first round is a great place to get linemen, because if they start for 8 years for you, it's great value. If anything it's a bad place for position like WR, where the elite guys are already gone and the next level is a dime a dozen.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Great. So we'll know by the time he's 36 years old whether he's the guy. I can't express how awesome that makes me feel.

you do realize if weed makes it past year 2, and is still our starting QB, this will be considered a success on many fronts

 

[LordJeffBuck]

You're assuming you can go with just any QB. Browns made the same mistake with Quinn in that false assumption.

Yeah, let's trust the same guys who drafted that "whiner" and "bum" Colt McCoy in the first place. Good idea.

I never said that Weeden will be the guy. If H+H think that he will be the guy, then it was definitely the right choice at #22.

So even if you're not a Super Bowl contender (which you so adequately pointed out), you don't plan for the future? You plan for the present? I'm confused.

You can't pass on a player this year hoping to get a better player at the same position next year. If Weeden's a guy you think can be your starting QB, then you don't pass on him now hoping to get a better QB next year.

Great. So we'll know by the time he's 36 years old whether he's the guy. I can't express how awesome that makes me feel.

And if the Browns drafted a 22-year old QB, you'd know whether he is the guy by age 29. How awesome would that make you feel? The point is this: Weeden has plenty of time to prove whether he is the guy.

Fallacious argument. The complaint here is wasting a first-round pick on a quarterback.

Is my argument as fallacious as the assumption that the Weeden pick was "wasted"?

Does the anti-Weeden crowd have any viable alternatives, or are you all just a bunch of Colt McCoy fans?

 

[Bucklion]

I never said that Weeden will be the guy. If H+H think that he will be the guy, then it was definitely the right choice at #22.


You can't pass on a player this year hoping to get a better player at the same position next year. If Weeden's a guy you think can be your starting QB, then you don't pass on him now hoping to get a better QB next year.


And if the Browns drafted a 22-year old QB, you'd know whether he is the guy by age 29. How awesome would that make you feel? The point is this: Weeden has plenty of time to prove whether he is the guy.


Is my argument as fallacious as the assumption that the Weeden pick was "wasted"?

Does the anti-Weeden crowd have any viable alternatives, or are you all just a bunch of Colt McCoy fans?

Viable alternatives for what? I think plenty have put out alternative draft scenarios. As for QBs, why do you hate Colt McCoy so much? What did he do to you? I'm far from in love with the guy as a QB, but he had a top-to-bottom shitty offense to work with last year. I think giving him one more year to see if he developed while we shored up several other areas was better than taking Weeden in Round 1, who I can't see as much of an upgrade. Trent fucking Dilfer won a Super Bowl, so I personally wanted to see several other areas upgraded before we reached for a QB. I look at Weeden the same way I did Quinn and Tannehill...not the answer.

 

[Bucklion]

Apparently Jim Brown isn't much impressed with Richardson:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...y-ordinary-according-jim-brown-210328952.html

I know he was the GOAT in many eyes, but the dude just seems bitter to me.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Rumor has it we're talking trade with Green Bay
I think we offer Colt for Rogers as long as GB throws in a 4th rounder this year

 

[y0yoyoin]

Apparently Jim Brown isn't much impressed with Richardson:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...y-ordinary-according-jim-brown-210328952.html

I know he was the GOAT in many eyes, but the dude just seems bitter to me.

jim brown has been pretty much anti-cleveland since Holmgren removed him from the browns facilities and he then shunned the ring ceremony we held a few years ago and has said nothing but bullshit since...while i still love him for everything he did while my grandpa was around, the guy to me is nothing but trash...i will go as far as to say racist as well

 

[Bucklion]

Rumor has it we're talking trade with Green Bay
I think we offer Colt for Rogers as long as GB throws in a 4th rounder this year

At his point they might as well trade him for Mr. Rogers (and a pair of shoes to be changed later)...he's worth about that much to Cleveland.