Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[BigWoof31]

Two straight callers are happy. Both think Weeden is a model citizen who will make Browns fans proud.

Both want them to take Stephen Hill with their next pick.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Both want them to take Stephen Hill with their next pick.

my pick in order of preference for #37

1. Ruben Randle
2. Stephen Hill
3. Jonathan Martin
4. Cordy Glenn
5. Courtney Upshaw

 

[OH10]

No lines to read between. I stand by my assertion about Holmgren's ego and not what some shoddy piece from ESPN says or Tony Grossi.

Holmgren doesn't need the $10 million. Men with large egos are not changed by something that they have no need for and Holmgren does not need the money.

Again, the only way this notion of "Weeden was Lerner's pick" has any viability is if the man with the really large ego resigns next week.

Your assertion is based entirely on the assumption that Holmgren has a big enough ego to tell Lerner and his $10 million/year to go shove it. Seriously doubt that.

And that's how you're basing the viability of the "Weeden was Lerner's pick" narrative. Well, I guess I can't argue with assumptions. But I can point to coach's quote that names the owner first among those who influenced Weeden's selection. Outside of Oakland (when Al Davis was alive), Washington, and Dallas, what other owner would be that involved in the decision-making process? Especially with an "ego" like Holmgren in the room.

 

[billmac91]

my pick in order of preference for #37

1. Ruben Randle
2. Stephen Hill
3. Jonathan Martin
4. Cordy Glenn
5. Courtney Upshaw

Stephen Hill scares the crap out of me. I'm not longing for a guy who just spent 3 years in a triple option offense.

Lining up Hill with Little, who was a former RB in High School and college, and it shows in his hands, seems like an awful idea. The learning curve for Hill is going to be huge in the NFL no matter where he goes.

I don't think Paul Johnson is teaching the nuances of being an elite receiver at Ga Tech. Hill has bust potential all over him.

 

[LitlBuck]

Maybe the Browns are thinking about installing the single wing with an unbalanced line next year. Hardesty would be the tailback, Richardson would play fullback, Little would be our wingback with Weeden at QB. They probably would run it out of a unbalanced line so I assume the rest of the picks will be offensive linemen.

I was mad as hell last night when the Browns selected Weeden but after a long nights sleep this Browns fan who saw his first Browns game in the mid-50s decided to take a wait and see attitude and since I have been with them for so long I have no other choice. I could never be a fan of another professional football team but that doesn't necessarily mean the Browns will get my full support in the future.

Regarding Lerner calling the Weeden shot. No one will ever know for sure but I am in the camp that Holmgren would walk is Lerner told him who to draft especially a QB.

 

[Bucklion]

No lines to read between. I stand by my assertion about Holmgren's ego and not what some shoddy piece from ESPN says or Tony Grossi.

Holmgren doesn't need the $10 million. Men with large egos are not changed by something that they have no need for and Holmgren does not need the money.

Again, the only way this notion of "Weeden was Lerner's pick" has any viability is if the man with the really large ego resigns next week.

Sorry, but I don't buy this at all. You seem to be assuming Lerner has no ego, or at least not one on par with Holmgren's, and that Lerner doesn't meddle in his teams, both of which I think are easily disprovable. Holmgren took the job knowing he would have a lot of control, but also knowing he didn't own the team. If the owner bitches to you every day for a year straight that he wants a new QB, I imagine you are going to get him one, no matter who you are, Holmgren, Parcells, or Joe Schmo. I don't believe everything I read in the press either, but when multiple sources are directly quoting people saying exactly the same thing, I am inclined to believe it over my own opinion of what I might think about Holmgren or that of anyone else on a message board.

 

[AKAK]

my pick in order of preference for #37

1. Ruben Randle
2. Stephen Hill
3. Jonathan Martin
4. Cordy Glenn
5. Courtney Upshaw

Ironically... sort of.

I had sort of resigned myself to the possibility that the Browns would take Weeden at #37 if he was still on the board. I also kind of thought that Cordy Glenn was a possibility at #22. So, theoretically we could get the same 3 guys that we would have otherwise. (Yeah, doesn't help that DeCastro and Reiff were still on the board.)

As to this Holmgren/Lerner thing... I mean, I can see Lerner saying to upgrade QB if you think you can and Holmgren liking Weeden the best after 1 and 2 so, Lerner told him to get the guy. All of this probably after H&H having put together a list of priorities with QB being near the top of the list. It's not like this all happened like, "You! draft that dude"

 

[Bucklion]

Ironically... sort of.

I had sort of resigned myself to the possibility that the Browns would take Weeden at #37 if he was still on the board. I also kind of thought that Cordy Glenn was a possibility at #22. So, theoretically we could get the same 3 guys that we would have otherwise. (Yeah, doesn't help that DeCastro and Reiff were still on the board.)

As to this Holmgren/Lerner thing... I mean, I can see Lerner saying to upgrade QB if you think you can and Holmgren liking Weeden the best after 1 and 2 so, Lerner told him to get the guy. All of this probably after H&H having put together a list of priorities with QB being near the top of the list. It's not like this all happened like, "You! draft that dude"

Of course that didn't happen. But if he is repeatedly telling you he hates the QBs we have, or that you need to make it a priority to get another one, then I imagine you are going to have to. Holmgren may not "need" the money, but it's not like he's turning it down, or like he didn't know what he was getting into when he agreed to take it. Honestly with all the other needs on this team, that's the only possible explanation one could offer up as to why Tannehill was even under any kind of consideration.

 

[tsteele316]

Sorry, but I don't buy this at all. You seem to be assuming Lerner has no ego, or at least not one on par with Holmgren's, and that Lerner doesn't meddle in his teams, both of which I think are easily disprovable. Holmgren took the job knowing he would have a lot of control, but also knowing he didn't own the team. If the owner bitches to you every day for a year straight that he wants a new QB, I imagine you are going to get him one, no matter who you are, Holmgren, Parcells, or Joe Schmo. I don't believe everything I read in the press either, but when multiple sources are directly quoting people saying exactly the same thing, I am inclined to believe it over my own opinion of what I might think about Holmgren or that of anyone else on a message board.

if it's easily disprovable that randy lerner doesn't meddle in personnel decisions of the roster, then show it. the guy doesn't go to half the games and doesn't show up on draft day. he's one of the most distanced owners in the league.

 

[jlb1705]

Actually in their view they did. He just happens to be 28.

Well, I disagree on him being the BPA at that point.

Actually, I'm not all that convinced that he's all that different than McCoy, other than the fact that he's older, less mobile, less experienced and cost more to obtain.

 

[Bucklion]

if it's easily disprovable that randy lerner doesn't meddle in personnel decisions of the roster, then show it. the guy doesn't go to half the games and doesn't show up on draft day. he's one of the most distanced owners in the league.

2 words: Aston Villa.

 

[Bucklion]

if it's easily disprovable that randy lerner doesn't meddle in personnel decisions of the roster, then show it. the guy doesn't go to half the games and doesn't show up on draft day. he's one of the most distanced owners in the league.

And if you want to play that game, prove that. Unless you know him personally, I don't think you can. You don't know how much he talks to H&H or other personnel people, or about what, or how forcefully, any more than I do.

 

[AKAK]

Of course that didn't happen. But if he is repeatedly telling you he hates the QBs we have, or that you need to make it a priority to get another one, then I imagine you are going to have to. Holmgren may not "need" the money, but it's not like he's turning it down, or like he didn't know what he was getting into when he agreed to take it. Honestly with all the other needs on this team, that's the only possible explanation one could offer up as to why Tannehill was even under any kind of consideration.

Yeah, but, if one or all of Shurmer, Holmgren or Heckert in the beginning said they wouldn't be able to progress with McCoy, then why wouldn't he say that. It is a QB league.

This is only a problem if those guys were all like, "No, Randy, Colt is full of awesomeness" and Lerner said, "No you dumbasses, get Weeden anyway"

Look, it might be a win/win...if this guy actually sucks, we can go 1-15 and draft Barkley.

 

[AKAK]

Well, I disagree on him being the BPA at that point.

Actually, I'm not all that convinced that he's all that different than McCoy, other than the fact that he's older, less mobile, less experienced and cost more to obtain.

Well, of course YOU disagree. But, they thought he was. Your argument was that they didn't take the BPA. Well, if, as was noted, he was #13 on the board... they probably did. From their perspective.

 

[stowfan]

I'm really hoping the assholes go O-line with the next pick. Wide Receiver is the one position this draft is stacked with "decent" players. We could upgrade very nicely with a later pick:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012/WR

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