Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[y0yoyoin]

Well, what's the average QB lifespan in the NFL since we're talking about that with Richardson.

I mean, if we post the bust list for 1st Round QB's.... it's long and distinguished (like my johnson).

So, where I am with this is, the kid is probably a bust. Just like most QB's. Better prospect regardless of age than Tannehill. Better prospect/Arm than McCoy. Doesn't have Barry Stokes protecting his blindside and has an elite Tailback prospect behind him.

So, what I'm seeing here is... the problem is. "IF" he's good, we're only gonna get 6 or 7 years out of him instead of 13 or 14.

When was the last QB we had for 10 years in Cleveland, nevermind 7?

And we used a 22 on him. Not like we just popped the number 1 overall on the guy and left Luck on the board.

good post...i think we should be happy if we can get a QB to last more then 2 years...and thats being modest...couch lasted the longest since 1999...everyone else was one and done, or by year 2 there was a QB controversy which fucked everything up...so in reality, if Weed can last 3 years and reach the playoffs then that is a success in the cleveland browns franchise eyes

 

[billmac91]

Has anyone looked at our schedule next year?

This kid is going to get destroyed.

The more I think about it, the more I truly believe this was self-sabotage in a way. The Browns are going to be a mountain of suck next year because:

• They are terrible
• There schedule is a monster

If you go into the season with McCoy as starter and go 4-12 aagin, Shurmur's job is on the line. By taking Weeden and having a new QB being groomed, it buys him time. Granted Weeden is 29 to start the year, but they will throw out all of the company lines by the end of the year, that he needed a season to adjust to the speed, playbook, etc.


Taking Weeden was incredibly stupid, but it will probably save Shurmur's job for at least 1 year.


What an awful pick though. I wish we didn't even have a second first rounder at this point. I'd feel much better if we just took Richardson and forfeited the #22 pick...it was that horrendous.

 

[NFBuck]

Well, what's the average QB lifespan in the NFL since we're talking about that with Richardson.

I mean, if we post the bust list for 1st Round QB's.... it's long and distinguished (like my johnson).

So, where I am with this is, the kid is probably a bust. Just like most QB's. Better prospect regardless of age than Tannehill. Better prospect/Arm than McCoy. Doesn't have Barry Stokes protecting his blindside and has an elite Tailback prospect behind him.

So, what I'm seeing here is... the problem is. "IF" he's good, we're only gonna get 6 or 7 years out of him instead of 13 or 14.

When was the last QB we had for 10 years in Cleveland, nevermind 7?

And we used a 22 on him. Not like we just popped the number 1 overall on the guy and left Luck on the board.

All of this is true, but there's more.

I'm seeing people say we can get 6-7 "good" years out of him. There's problems with that:

1. He's a rookie, so you can hardly expect him to come in and start lighting things up immediately. Especially with this supporting cast.

2. I've read that there are problems with his footwork and mechanics. So, you still have to correct the problems many 22 year old college kids come out with.

3. The team, by and large, is still a pretty big mess. You still have to put the pieces around him. We can address WR at 37, but what's the chances you get an impact WR there? Plus, there's still a glaring need at RT, and G.

4. There's the Big 12 QB stigma. They simply do not play defense in that conference. Yes, he has the arm strength Colt lacked, but he's coming from a much different system than he's going to play in.

5. You're essentially throwing him to the wolves with a shoddy OL, and limited weapons at his disposal...that's exactly how you kill a QB's career.

This is just an unbelievably short sighted move from a franchise that has insisted since H & H came on board that they were building long term. It's a direct contradiction. Unless Weeden somehow has the longevity of Favre, you aren't really looking at competing until he's 32-33, then you have to already start looking to bring in his eventual successor. It's just crazy.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

QB in Cleveland has to have a cannon... wind and temps mandate it
but then again, when you lead the league in drops...
I could throw it to you... and save you lots of cap space

My guess is... Stanford TE, Stephen Hill WR, Courtney Glenn or Mike Adams

 

[cdiddy70]

What can be expected in return for McCoy?

As somebody else pointed out.

The Browns are the favorite to be the worst team in the league.

So what the hell do they do next year if they have the #1 overall pick and Barkley is next years Luck.

The Weeden pick is getting me more enraged the more I think about it.

Why the hell didn't they
stand pat at 4 (richardson, blackman or claiborne), OL at 22, WR at 37, package the 3 picks that were used to move to 3 and grab a cousins, boles, wilson, or the dork from ASU - if a QB was a must in this draft.


Can anybody definitvly say that Weeden is that much better then McCoy especially when he is old enough to be his dad.

 

[AKAK]

All of this is true, but there's more.

I'm seeing people say we can get 6-7 "good" years out of him. There's problems with that:

1. He's a rookie, so you can hardly expect him to come in and start lighting things up immediately. Especially with this supporting cast.

2. I've read that there are problems with his footwork and mechanics. So, you still have to correct the problems many 22 year old college kids come out with.

3. The team, by and large, is still a pretty big mess. You still have to put the pieces around him. We can address WR at 37, but what's the chances you get an impact WR there? Plus, there's still a glaring need at RT, and G.

4. There's the Big 12 QB stigma. They simply do not play defense in that conference. Yes, he has the arm strength Colt lacked, but he's coming from a much different system than he's going to play in.

This is just an unbelievably short sighted move from a franchise that has insisted since H & H came on board that they were building long term. It's a direct contradiction. Unless Weeden somehow has the longevity of Favre, you aren't really looking at competing until he's 32-33, then you have to already start looking to bring in his eventual successor. It's just crazy.

No, because if he sucks, they'll move on... so, ain't gonna get to 33, either he's good or he's not. He's got 2 years to figure this out, Maximum. Just like Quinn, just like Colt, just like everyone else.

Just checked. The Browns have had exactly 2 guys start 100 games in their history. Otto Graham ain't one of them.

(Hell I say we take another QB in the 6th.)

 

[NFBuck]

What can be expected in return for McCoy?

As somebody else pointed out.

The Browns are the favorite to be the worst team in the league.

So what the hell do they do next year if they have the #1 overall pick and Barkley is next years Luck.

The Weeden pick is getting me more enraged the more I think about it.

Why the hell didn't they
stand pat at 4 (richardson, blackman or claiborne), OL at 22, WR at 37, package the 3 picks that were used to move to 3 and grab a cousins, boles, wilson, or the dork from ASU - if a QB was a must in this draft.


Can anybody definitvly say that Weeden is that much better then McCoy especially when he is old enough to be his dad.

You can't expect much at all for Colt. Maybe recover one of the picks you dealt to move up for Richardson.

The bolded part is what pisses me off maybe more than anything. It's just incomprehensible how bad this pick is. They either panicked when Wright came off the board and are now covering their asses saying Weeden was always their guy...or...Weeden was really their guy and they ignored the glaring flaws involved with that. Either is a fireable offense, IMO. I now have zero faith in this FO. I don't give two shits what they do with the rest of the picks because they've bumbled the top of the draft in the worst way imaginable short of taking Tannehill at 4.

 

[muffler dragon]

I hope you're being facetious, because those numbers aren't similar in any sense of the word. Weeden had almost 20 points on DA in completion percentage and 35 points on him in rating, not to mention the TD/INT ratio. Any reason you chose DA to compare against Weeden?

Like I said, when I reflect on the collective of offensive weapons, I see some similarities. I posted it, because wad's post made me think about the comparisons. Hell... Weeden may be the next coming, but I doubt it.

But like AKAK said...

Throw Timmuh up there. It's sort of scary.

Especially when considering the talent level of the Browns now v. then.

There may or may not be a whole lot of similarities and pro ability isn't necessarily analogous to collegiate.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

FWIW.. this staff sees his throws.. and obviously they don't think McCoy has the arm strength to make the throws they need in this offense.. good kid.. just doesn't have the arm...

We'll get a 6 or 7 ... only as a favor when the Browns beg someone to give them a pick to save face

 

[OH10]

Why the hell didn't they
stand pat at 4 (richardson, blackman or claiborne), OL at 22, WR at 37, package the 3 picks that were used to move to 3 and grab a cousins, boles, wilson, or the dork from ASU - if a QB was a must in this draft.

If you read between the lines, it's because Lerner wanted a quarterback, come hell or high water. Lerner wanted RGIII and I think the front office intentionally botched it b/c they didn't think he was the right guy. But, ultimately, Holmgren is being paid $10 million/year and he's not just going to give that up; if his owner demands something, he's doing it.

Heckert has shown a lot of draft savvy and this pick was too incomprehensibly stupid to believe he would have done it if not forced into it. They're all going to be defined by Brandon [censored]ing Weeden. Good luck assholes.

 

[jlb1705]

Why would Lerner start meddling with the Browns? He hasn't quite finished destroying Aston Villa yet. One thing at a time.

Last night boils down to this: I don't care about the Browns' "needs". I don't care about "value" I don't care any of the draft truisms about certain positions. Every time it's the Browns' turn to pick, they simply need to draft the best player still available. With Richardson, they did that. With Weeden, they did not.

If you go in every time and draft the best player available regardless of position and regardless of conventional draft wisdom, you will eventually increase the talent level on your roster. The only teams that can afford to draft for need or worry about silly rules which may or may not be true are teams that are already winning games.

So what if you only get three great years out of a RB? Name for me the last time the Browns got three great years out of any single player besides Joe Thomas, let alone three great years out of a RB.

So what if the best player still available it a tackle and you already have one great one on your roster? Here's a little secret about football: most of the good teams play two tackles. Right now the Browns o-line is just "OK" and it has some glaring holes between a couple excellent players. If the BPA is another lineman and you add him to an "OK" unit, you can turn that unit into a STRENGTH. When was the last time you could truly describe the Browns as having a "strength" in any one unit or at any one position? And no, "relative strengths" do not count. Just because the Browns suck so bad and the punter has managed to not get decapitated despite being run out there 12 times a game does not mean that special teams is a "strength".

 

[OH10]

(Hell I say we take another QB in the 6th.)

Bauserman?

 

[AKAK]

If you read between the lines, it's because Lerner wanted a quarterback, come hell or high water. Lerner wanted RGIII and I think the front office intentionally botched it b/c they didn't think he was the right guy. But, ultimately, Holmgren is being paid $10 million/year and he's not just going to give that up; if his owner demands something, he's doing it.

Heckert has shown a lot of draft savvy and this pick was too incomprehensibly stupid to believe he would have done it if not forced into it. They're all going to be defined by Brandon [censored]ing Weeden. Good luck assholes.

Well, unless Richardson goes for 1800 years the next 3 years.

(IN which case they will be judged by Weeden, but, his job will be relatively easy provided the Defense doesn't suck)

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

so regarding the RT... what if H&H&S believe Pinkston is the answer and don't draft a RT?

 

[OH10]

Why would Lerner start meddling with the Browns? He hasn't quite finished destroying Aston Villa yet. One thing at a time.

Did you see the Bolton game the other day? Villa is finished. Now he's onto to his next demolition project: The Cleveland Browns.