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Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

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The draft, given the expectations going in, was just north of a disaster, IMO. Berry going off the board set the tone. They did the best they could with the Haden pick and I'm not unhappy about it. Ward was a reach and just feels like Brodney Pool all over again. Trading up for Hardesty was ridiculous, again IMO...I'd love to be proven wrong. Getting Colt was the only thing that went right to me. I think a year or two down the road, he'll be a very good WCO offense QB. Then again, this is Cleveland, so he's probably just Charlie Frye redux. :!
 
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NFBuck;1703452; said:
The draft, given the expectations going in, was just north of a disaster, IMO. Berry going off the board set the tone. They did the best they could with the Haden pick and I'm not unhappy about it. Ward was a reach and just feels like Brodney Pool all over again. Trading up for Hardesty was ridiculous, again IMO...I'd love to be proven wrong. Getting Colt was the only thing that went right to me. I think a year or two down the road, he'll be a very good WCO offense QB. Then again, this is Cleveland, so he's probably just Charlie Frye redux. :!
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hardesty was not lasting past seattle at 59 or past new england a few picks later. that has pretty much been confirmed. he was not a reach at 58.
 
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tsteele316;1703458; said:
hardesty was not lasting past seattle at 59 or past new england a few picks later. that has pretty much been confirmed. he was not a reach at 58.
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I was just going to say that. The more that info has come out post draft the more that pick is looking like it was far from a reach.
 
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MUBuck;1703518; said:
He didn't say Hardesty was a reach, he said that trading up for him was a bad move.
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Good catch, I was looking at tsteele's comment about what he said when I wrote that.

tsteele316;1703458; said:
hardesty was not lasting past seattle at 59 or past new england a few picks later. that has pretty much been confirmed. he was not a reach at 58.
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MUBuck;1703518; said:
He didn't say Hardesty was a reach, he said that trading up for him was a bad move.
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This.

An we admittedly were going to pass on trading up for McCoy so we could stay in the current spot in the third to take Shawn Lauvao. He was still there later in the round. It's rehashing everything being said before, but we gave up a lot of picks to take Hardesty, we reached on Ward, Berry not being there was a bad break, and we passed on, IMO a lot of productive players for big reaches.

And the Jake Delhomme signing was a head scratcher. 18 picks with an amazing run game and Steve Smith is pretty terrible. How's he going to do with a weak Receiving corps and even less of a running game? I guess you can always go to Seneca, but I have a feeling this is going to get ugly quick.
 
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tsteele316;1703458; said:
hardesty was not lasting past seattle at 59 or past new england a few picks later. that has pretty much been confirmed. he was not a reach at 58.
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Like said below, I didn't say it was a "reach", I just think trading up for him was a bad move. RB was a need, but not that big a need IMO...not in the grand scheme of things. It felt like they did that simply to get a RB fairly high. They aren't going anywhere in 2010, why not go with what you have and look to draft somebody next year. Granted, I don't know what exactly their feelings are on Hardesty, maybe (probably) they really wanted him...but I just don't see it.
 
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Bleed S & G;1703541; said:
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I know you think I am a joke, but try to tell me otherwise. Its the same offense that had to run double, nearly 300lb TEs to run the ball all game. We still have a bunch of #2 and #3 WRs, with no one to stretch the field. The TE pickups have been questionable, more pick ups of castoffs. We all know Delhomme's stat line. Cribbs will make some things happen on returns but we cant expect him to win games again, it wont happen.

At least the defense has some better players and we wont have the Lions going up and down the field on us.
 
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NFBuck;1703548; said:
Like said below, I didn't say it was a "reach", I just think trading up for him was a bad move. RB was a need, but not that big a need IMO...not in the grand scheme of things. It felt like they did that simply to get a RB fairly high. They aren't going anywhere in 2010, why not go with what you have and look to draft somebody next year. Granted, I don't know what exactly their feelings are on Hardesty, maybe (probably) they really wanted him...but I just don't see it.
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We needed a true RB, no doubt and I agree with you. My main beef with this whole draft was that we went in with more picks than anyone and came away with 3 starters. The offense was dead last in passing and look at the WRs that were on the board in the second round. Maybe they are giving a pass in hopes of getting a #1 in an awesome class next year. But then I look at players like Wootton that we passed on by trading up. DE is a bigger need right now than RB.
 
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KingLeon;1703257; said:
What has Abe Elam done to ask for a long term deal??

I'm sick of everyone thinking that they deserve something when they haven't proven anything. Go out and show it on the field and you'll get what you deserve. Until then, shut up.

Prima donnas
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Cleveland Browns safety Abe Elam wants long-term deal, weighing options | cleveland.com
Cleveland Browns safety Abe Elam wants long-term deal, weighing options
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
May 12, 2010, 5:44PM

CLEVELAND -- Browns safety Abe Elam said on his website today that he wants a multi-year contract and is weighing his options.

Elam, one of the Browns' restricted free agents, has yet to sign his second-round tender of $1.759 million for 2010 and will most likely skip the Browns' voluntary organized team activities, which begin Monday.
Most of the restricted free agents, including D'Qwell Jackson, Jerome Harrison, Lawrence Vickers and Matt Roth have sat out the offseason workout program and are expected to be absent from OTAs -- 11 days of voluntary practices leading up to the mandatory minicamp June 10-12.
Because the RFAs have until June 15 to sign their tenders, some or all might also miss the minicamp. In addition to Elam, the agent for Jackson has also expressed his desire for a long-term deal.

Elam, acquired in the trade with the Jets last year for the No. 5 pick that New York used on quarterback Mark Sanchez, started all 16 games last season, posting a team-high 88 tackles, a sack, a fumble recovery and forced fumble and two passes defensed.

On his website, www.abeelam.com, Elam wrote, "I was tendered at second round level by the Browns but at this point I am weighing my options in hopes of receiving a multi-year deal. I am praying everything works out for the best. As of right now my focus is on training and continuing to improve as a player.

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He probably saw that Sheldon Brown got a $5 million dollar signing bonus when he joined the Browns last year so he probably thinks he deserves a little bit of cake also. I say let him walk depending on how much of an extension he wants and how much money. Let the "free market" decide how much he is worth and he will soon find out he did not play in the Pro Bowl last year:lol: The same goes true with Jackson. I mean how much of last season did he really play and when he does play, eight tackles does he make behind the line of scrimmage. He was a good college inside linebacker and has not translated very well to the NFLIMO
Also regarding these guys that are skipping the OTA's, I guess they must have noticed how well they play last year also.

NFBuck;1703452; said:
The draft, given the expectations going in, was just north of a disaster, IMO. Berry going off the board set the tone. They did the best they could with the Haden pick and I'm not unhappy about it. Ward was a reach and just feels like Brodney Pool all over again. Trading up for Hardesty was ridiculous, again IMO...I'd love to be proven wrong. Getting Colt was the only thing that went right to me. I think a year or two down the road, he'll be a very good WCO offense QB. Then again, this is Cleveland, so he's probably just Charlie Frye redux. :!
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I respect your opinion but saying that this draft was "just north of a disaster" I think it is a little bit of a stretchIMO The only guy that I have a problem with is Ward because I think the Browns could have gotten him later on because I feel that other teams were probably going to stay away from him due to his injuries. We really don't have a running back like Hardesty who can not only run outside but also is big enough to get some yardage running inside. I totally agree with you regarding McCoy but I guess only time will tell regarding him. The one draft pick that I really like that I think might be a steal was Asante. He could prove me wrong but I know that he will be a good special teams player and possibly down the road might be a pretty good strong safety. Don't know much about the OG from Arizona State but we do need depth at the OL and he probably was the best at his position when he was taken. The other two guys I also liked but will need time and hopefully they will be contributors and 2-3 years.
 
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Different early 2nd rounder and everyone is saying how much of a success this draft was. We did well. Ward was a reach, but obviously loved by the coaches. I'm not even close to ready to say good or bad draft because too many times people say that and are burned by it.

I liked the Hardesty pick a lot. One guy who I think is really gonna be a good back.
 
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LitlBuck;1703602; said:
Cleveland Browns safety Abe Elam wants long-term deal, weighing options | cleveland.com
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Buh-bye!

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