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Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

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jlb1705;1700234; said:
I think I did last year.

I think the sour taste comes from the time when the Browns made a habit of taking rejects from Tha U. It's one thing to take rejects from NFL teams that are better than yours. It's quite another to take them from a college team.
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Andre King is going to be a superstar. You just wait. :tongue2:
 
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IronBuckI;1700219; said:
Let the complaints about Eagles rejects begin...

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The way the Browns are signing tight ends and picking up the RB from Denver and then drafting another power RB, it looks like the Browns are building more of a power team than a West Coast offensive team especially with no WRs being drafted.
 
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LitlBuck;1700345; said:
The way the Browns are signing tight ends and picking up the RB from Denver and then drafting another power RB, it looks like the Browns are building more of a power team than a West Coast offensive team especially with no WRs being drafted.
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I don't mind that at all, especially in this division.
 
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LitlBuck;1700345; said:
The way the Browns are signing tight ends and picking up the RB from Denver and then drafting another power RB, it looks like the Browns are building more of a power team than a West Coast offensive team especially with no WRs being drafted.
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I could be wrong but i believe the TE we just picked up is known more for his catching skills then blocking..
 
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wdg01;1700368; said:
I could be wrong but i believe the TE we just picked up is known more for his catching skills then blocking..
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You might be correct but it still does not give the Browns much of a vertical game and that's what Holmgren said he was going to look for going into the draft perhaps he has changed his mind when he came up short in the draft for WRs. Still a good pickup either way.
 
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wdg01;1700368; said:
I could be wrong but i believe the TE we just picked up is known more for his catching skills then blocking..
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Yep. Was pretty decent when he was with Tampa Bay from what I remember. Celek probably didn't help his case in Philly, since Celek is a beast.
 
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LitlBuck;1700345; said:
The way the Browns are signing tight ends and picking up the RB from Denver and then drafting another power RB, it looks like the Browns are building more of a power team than a West Coast offensive team especially with no WRs being drafted.
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Not directed at you litlbuck, as I have seen many posts since Holmgren's hiring that held a certain belief, just quoting it cause it is right here.

Which isn't a surprise at all. I know that I mentioned, based upon comments made by Holmgren, that the WCO as many know it wasn't necessarily coming to Cleveland. Also, for those who really watch, elements of the WCO could be seen by the Browns last year.

Holmgren is not an idiot. While he comes from the WCO coaching family tree, he also knows that there are other ways to play offense....to move the ball, win time of possession, etc.. I am sure that he saw elements of the WCO in the Browns "attack" last year and with his knowledge, those elements should be improved upon going forward.

Too many went the easy route when Holmgren was brought on board and simply assumed WCO was coming to Cleveland. Many also assumed that Mangini, after meeting with Holmgren, agreed to the WCO so as to keep his job. What everyone should have assumed is that 2 men who know the game of football met and discussed football, football philosophies including offensive philosophies.

And that is what has me cautiously optimistic about the Browns.

I loved the power running game that the Browns had last year without a true power back. Mangini obviously values the ability to run the ball as indicated by his disposition in using high draft picks on the oline. Getting a good oline that can block for the run game coupled with Holmgren's knowledge of the WCO to help in that area that was lacking last year has the makings of something that can keep me watching games on Sunday's rather than using the game as white noise for my nap.
 
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Buckeneye;1700504; said:
Well, it is possible to utilize a 'run heavy' WCO offense... take a long look at Bronco teams of past and their ability to plug n play 1000yard rushers.
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Shaun Alexander had some pretty good years under Holmgren too.



As far as Hillis goes, I've heard him compared to Tom Rathman a lot more than any power runner out there. He may not have shown it much in Denver, but Hillis was a legit pass catching threat at Arkansas (lining up at FB and TE), as well as a quality run blocker.

I too am cautiously optimistic about the pieces that are being put on this team. Regardless of whether they're the big, recognizable, names that many wanted the Browns to pick up.
 
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IronBuckI;1700569; said:
Shaun Alexander had some pretty good years under Holmgren too.



As far as Hillis goes, I've heard him compared to Tom Rathman a lot more than any power runner out there. He may not have shown it much in Denver, but Hillis was a legit pass catching threat at Arkansas (lining up at FB and TE), as well as a quality run blocker.

I too am cautiously optimistic about the pieces that are being put on this team. Regardless of whether they're the big, recognizable, names that many wanted the Browns to pick up.
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I agree, a lot of the pieces are looking good. It will probably come down to QB play and the secondary for 2010, but I like what is being built thus far.
 
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3074326;1700913; said:
Hillis is a fantastic player. One of the most underrated pickups this offseason IMO. Browns fans will love him.
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That's really saying something because Hardesty really got some rave reviews in their weekend minicamp plus we also got Haden. Larry Asante also looked pretty good while Ward looked a little lost according to Pluto. Cleveland.com
 
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