Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

[jlb1705]

I don't really want the Browns making personnel decisions based in any part on jersey sales. The Browns put butts in the seats on Sundays no matter how bad they might suck and no matter who's on the roster. If the Browns are having trouble selling tickets it's because of the economy and the shrinking regional population. Troy Smith isn't going to get anybody their job back or get them enough walkin' around money to go to a game. I think his potential economic impact is being overstated.

 

[billmac91]

I don't really want the Browns making personnel decisions based in any part on jersey sales. The Browns put butts in the seats on Sundays no matter how bad they might suck and no matter who's on the roster. If the Browns are having trouble selling tickets it's because of the economy and the shrinking regional population. Troy Smith isn't going to get anybody their job back or get them enough walkin' around money to go to a game. I think his potential economic impact is being overstated.

Eh. Even the prime-time game against Pittsburgh was embarrassing from an empty seat perspective. I understand a lot of those seats count as sales, but attendance has been downright awful the last several years from a "butts in the seats" perspective. I don't think "butts in the seats" is overstated if Troy were to become starting QB. There'd be a lot of fanfare over a hometown kid who was willing to crawl to Cleveland to start there.

 

[Meyer]

I'm sure Holmgren looked into Smith and then decided to go after Wallace. This statement is said all the time but it's usually true and especially true with a QB guy like Holmgren, and it's that I'm gonna have to trust Holmgren on decisions like these.

 

[jlb1705]

Eh. Even the prime-time game against Pittsburgh was embarrassing from an empty seat perspective. I understand a lot of those seats count as sales, but attendance has been downright awful the last several years from a "butts in the seats" perspective. I don't think "butts in the seats" is overstated if Troy were to become starting QB. There'd be a lot of fanfare over a hometown kid who was willing to crawl to Cleveland to start there.

That trend you've observed also coincides with the tenure of another "hometown" QB who was willing to crawl to Cleveland to start for the Browns - Brady Quinn. It doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't result in wins. I'm not saying that Troy wouldn't bring that - but I am saying that Holmgren and Heckert have had a hand in winning a lot of football games for other teams over the years and I trust what they're doing. If their plan involves Troy that would be cool. If they don't, I'm OK with that for now too - let's see how it all shakes out.

 

[billmac91]

That trend you've observed also coincides with the tenure of another "hometown" QB who was willing to crawl to Cleveland to start for the Browns - Brady Quinn. It doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't result in wins. I'm not saying that Troy wouldn't bring that - but I am saying that Holmgren and Heckert have had a hand in winning a lot of football games for other teams over the years and I trust what they're doing. If their plan involves Troy that would be cool. If they don't, I'm OK with that for now too - let's see how it all shakes out.

From a Wallace to Smith comparison, th one thing I dont think can be debated is Troy's arm-strength. Come late October into November, weak armed QB's get massacred in cities like Cleveland. Seneca Wallace has an average ti below average arm. Troy has proven in college, he is capabale of cold wether command of games. Just food for thought....

Weak arms in bad/cold weather is asking for trouble...but don't get me wrong, I realize Seneca is not going to be asked to be a long-term solution. Maybe theyre thinking so far ahead they tank this season and look at a guy like Mallett or Locker in 2011.

 

[Class'13]

Seneca Wallace isn't coming in to start, boys.

Seneca Wallace>Derek Anderson

 

[3074326]

Seneca Wallace isn't coming in to start, boys.

Seneca Wallace>Derek Anderson

You make it sound like the Browns have a capable QB on the roster.

Wallace is a better athlete than Quinn. He knows what Holmgren wants to do. I think he's coming in to start..

 

[Buckeneye]

That trend you've observed also coincides with the tenure of another "hometown" QB who was willing to crawl to Cleveland to start for the Browns - Brady Quinn..

Brady Quinn does not, and barring a Super Bowl win, will never mean as much to Cleveland or the state of Ohio as Troy Smith does.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't a "hometown" QB. Ohio yes, Cleveland no. OU or tOSU? Nope - Notre Dame. Their might be a few Irish fans around here, but don't kid yourself, most people hate them. The only slim chance Brady had of re-establishing a connection with the residents of this state was to be a winner in Cleveland. Doesn't look like that might be happening.

 

[Buckrock]

You make it sound like the Browns have a capable QB on the roster.

Wallace is a better athlete than Quinn. He knows what Holmgren wants to do. I think he's coming in to start..

Accurate. 60% career passer. Mobile. 83% rating. Has started alomost a full season. There is more upside than downside with Wallace. It will be interesting to see what Holmgren and team do. We are definately drafting a QB. McCoy, Karafka, Hiller seem to fit the bill for WCO. I like this pick up. Quinn getting traded is a possibility. KC and Denver seem like candidates to replenish the 2011 pick for Wallace.

 

[ulukinatme]

Brady Quinn does not, and barring a Super Bowl win, will never mean as much to Cleveland or the state of Ohio as Troy Smith does.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't a "hometown" QB. Ohio yes, Cleveland no. OU or tOSU? Nope - Notre Dame. Their might be a few Irish fans around here, but don't kid yourself, most people hate them. The only slim chance Brady had of re-establishing a connection with the residents of this state was to be a winner in Cleveland. Doesn't look like that might be happening.

It's one thing to hate on former scUM, I thought our fans were above discriminating against Ohio boys that chose to play for a team as bad as the Browns. Limiting this team's salvation to QBs from Cleveland narrows our options too much. Brady sold jersies when he came in, this team needs some consistency, don't worry about the connection. The connection will come when the team turns around no matter who the QB is.

When it comes down to it, Browns fans want that connection, but if they can connect with a side arm throwing QB from Youngstown that played for Miami, they can get behind a QB from Columbus that played for the Irish. What matters is that the team wins, Browns fans reject any QB that doesn't win, which is why no one has stuck over the last 10 years.

 

[Buckeneye]

It's one thing to hate on former scUM, I thought our fans were above discriminating against Ohio boys that chose to play for a team as bad as the Browns. Limiting this team's salvation to QBs from Cleveland narrows our options too much. Brady sold jersies when he came in, this team needs some consistency, don't worry about the connection. The connection will come when the team turns around no matter who the QB is.

When it comes down to it, Browns fans want that connection, but if they can connect with a side arm throwing QB from Youngstown that played for Miami, they can get behind a QB from Columbus that played for the Irish. What matters is that the team wins, Browns fans reject any QB that doesn't win, which is why no one has stuck over the last 10 years.

1st) I'm not "hating" on Brady

2nd) He didn't choose where to play


That said, I'm not saying fans can't connect to Brady. He's from Ohio yes. I also understand the Kosar reference and totally agree. I wasn't trying to say Brady would never be a fit in Cleveland. I was implying that it was going to take Brady being a winner in this city to re-establish a connection with the fans that Troy has/had with this state for so many years now. Like said before, getting TS instantly rejuvenates this fanbase a bit because of he's a hometown guy who wants to see this team do well. You don't find many players on other rosters in the NFL who think like that. There's something about Troy, and being in Cleveland that I feel could just be special. He's a hard worker, a great student, a pillar in the community and a great QB. Plus, wanting to come back and play for this team, I think you'll see an effort, a "gear" or determination that you havent seen from him yet. I'm not saying he isn't commited or determined right now, but that little something extra that fighting for the homefront can only give you.

I mean, when Anderson was starting, did you hear any players saying that Brady commanded the huddle better? We're there articles written about players who prefered Quinn because of the respect they had for his leadership over his counterpart? - No. But you've heard that with Troy in the places he's played ball. Especially Baltimore.

I've seen Wallace play, and I agree. He's a very capable backup. He's played pretty well in the starts he's had and I'd take him in a heartbeat over Anderson and maybe even Quinn. But when it comes down to it (taking off the OSU glasses) I still feel that Troy could end up being better than all 3 QB's - sorry, make that 4, that we have on roster.

 

[jlb1705]

That said, I'm not saying fans can't connect to Brady. He's from Ohio yes. I also understand the Kosar reference and totally agree. I wasn't trying to say Brady would never be a fit in Cleveland. I was implying that it was going to take Brady being a winner in this city to re-establish a connection with the fans that Troy has/had with this state for so many years now. Like said before, getting TS instantly rejuvenates this fanbase a bit because of he's a hometown guy who wants to see this team do well. You don't find many players on other rosters in the NFL who think like that. There's something about Troy, and being in Cleveland that I feel could just be special. He's a hard worker, a great student, a pillar in the community and a great QB. Plus, wanting to come back and play for this team, I think you'll see an effort, a "gear" or determination that you havent seen from him yet. I'm not saying he isn't commited or determined right now, but that little something extra that fighting for the homefront can only give you.

Troy Smith would have to win - just like Quinn or Kosar or whoever you want to throw out there. That's what it's all about.

Cincinnati Reds fans were rejuvenated when Ken Griffey, Jr. was brought in. Now I might be the only guy in this town who still likes him. In the end, the hometown stuff means squat unless you win, and I think you're putting the cart before the horse by saying that he'd be successful because he'd kick into a higher gear by coming to the Browns.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Did Holgrem draft Seneca when he was in Seattle?

 

[NFBuck]

Troy Smith would have to win - just like Quinn or Kosar or whoever you want to throw out there. That's what it's all about.

Cincinnati Reds fans were rejuvenated when Ken Griffey, Jr. was brought in. Now I might be the only guy in this town who still likes him. In the end, the hometown stuff means squat unless you win, and I think you're putting the cart before the horse by saying that he'd be successful because he'd kick into a higher gear by coming to the Browns.

This. I was behind bringing him in for a 5th round draft choice for a competition. But, I've never seen enough to hail him as a savior. To be frank, I don't think he really has what it takes to be a long term answer at QB. A stopgap for a year or two? Sure. I was a fan of his at tOSU just like everybody else, but, a lot of the stuff that came out about his activities leading up to and post-Glendale soured me a little on him. He'll always be the wolverine slayer to me, but he's not the messiah many tOSU fans build him up to be IMO.

Did Holgrem draft Seneca when he was in Seattle?

Yes.

 

[itownbuckeye]

From a Wallace to Smith comparison, th one thing I dont think can be debated is Troy's arm-strength. Come late October into November, weak armed QB's get massacred in cities like Cleveland. Seneca Wallace has an average ti below average arm. Troy has proven in college, he is capabale of cold wether command of games. Just food for thought....

Weak arms in bad/cold weather is asking for trouble...but don't get me wrong, I realize Seneca is not going to be asked to be a long-term solution. Maybe theyre thinking so far ahead they tank this season and look at a guy like Mallett or Locker in 2011.

Smith doesn't lack arm strength but neither does DA. However, the two of them (and Quinn) lack a tool that is probably more important than arm strength which is accuracy. Neither Wallace nor Smith would appear to be a QB of the future. With that being the case, I can see why they would choose the guy who already knows the system to be the backup/mentor.