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Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

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tsteele316;1846787; said:
randy lerner's biggest fault has been that he listens to the fans way too much.

cleveland had a front office structure in place back in 2005. john collins was the team president and opie savage the GM. Collins tried to tell Lerner that Opie was in over his head, and the fans nearly formed a lynch mob to march on berea before lerner caved and got rid of collins. who was right in that fiasco?
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Nobody was right. Collins' background was in advertising/marketing. He had about as much business making football decisions as Lerner. Read his Wikipedia entry - Collins is where he belongs now.
 
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jlb1705;1846815; said:
Nobody was right. Collins' background was in advertising/marketing. He had about as much business making football decisions as Lerner. Read his Wikipedia entry - Collins is where he belongs now.
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if randy lerner had listened to the guy he hired to be the team president instead of knee jerk fans, opie would have never been able to run this team into the ground the way he did. like it or not, collins had savage pegged.
 
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Bucklion;1846775; said:
Yep, being reported in all the local papers...the thing I will wonder is if the final game was 20-17, would Holmgren have kept him or not.
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Nope.

y0yoyoin;1846785; said:
i still think if holmgren had any consideration of keeping mangini before the pittsburgh game, the FG on 4th and goal when down 14 probably changed his mind
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The decision to fire Mangina was made awhile ago...even beating Pittsburgh wouldn't have saved him. Dude was in over his head and was a lame duck coach since the day Holmgren showed up. Now let's get another guy to put in this meat grinder and rip his coaching ability to shreds.:biggrin:
 
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Holmgren's press conference will be aired at 1 PM on Cleveland.com

I truly believe that he will become the next coach and there is a little bit of talk about Norm Chow becoming the OC. The moves he mades as far as assistants will be interesting.
 
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BuckNut65;1846876; said:
When Holmgren or whomever has back to back losing seasons with the crappy-ass talent the Browns have is he going to fire himself? The carousel continues...so wonder why this franchise is so fucked up.
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I have all the respect in the world for Holmgren, but I do not want him as head coach. It's not that I don't think he can coach, it's that when things get Weird, what's going to happen? I don't want another coach with the power to act unilaterally and I don't want another coach who reports directly to the owner.
 
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kippy1040;1846796; said:
I have always wandered what would have happened if Jim Tressel would have won the N/C games against Florida and LSU if he would have benn considered as the next head coach of the Browns. And do any of you think he would have been sucessful here. He has done so much for Ohio State Football since Woody Hayes and he can really organize what ever he attempts. But is there anybody out there with his ideas and thinking. That is the big question that i pose. I don't know how many years of my life that i have left but it sure is one of the things on my Bucket List to put down. To live & see the day that the Cleveland Browns, one day in my life, makes it to the Super Bowl. Because if there is one team that deserves it, it is the Browns.
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It's not about whether the Browns would have considered him as I'm pretty sure the rumors from the 2003-2004 timeframe came from that direction.

It's that I don't think Jim Tressel has ever seriously considered going to the pros.
 
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TS10HTW;1846862; said:
The decision to fire Mangina was made awhile ago...even beating Pittsburgh wouldn't have saved him. Dude was in over his head and was a lame duck coach since the day Holmgren showed up. Now let's get another guy to put in this meat grinder and rip his coaching ability to shreds.:biggrin:
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ya i agree with you...the writing has been on the wall for awhile now...but i was just saying i think if holmgren was thinking of keeping mangini, then i think his decision to kick a field goal in that situation was something that had to of been the final straw for holmgren...and according to his press conference holmgren decided to fire mangini just this morning and not before...but that's up for your opinion to believe him or not

you can follow the press conference here

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_mike_holmgren_8.html
 
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y0yoyoin;1846931; said:
ya i agree with you...the writing has been on the wall for awhile now...but i was just saying i think if holmgren was thinking of keeping mangini, then i think his decision to kick a field goal in that situation was something that had to of been the final straw for holmgren...and according to his press conference holmgren decided to fire mangini just this morning and not before...but that's up for your opinion to believe him or not

you can follow the press conference here

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_mike_holmgren_8.html
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Holmgren isn't dumb or petty enough to make or finally decide on a course of action just because of a FG in a meaningless game.
 
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So it sounds like he wants to coach but he...I don't know...promised himself he wouldn't so he's going to look for someone else? WTF? If I'm a big-time guy and I have my choice, I'm not going to a place where the President is waiting to replace me with himself...
 
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Bucklion;1846945; said:
So it sounds like he wants to coach but he...I don't know...promised himself he wouldn't so he's going to look for someone else? WTF? If I'm a big-time guy and I have my choice, I'm not going to a place where the President is waiting to replace me with himself...
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Eric Spoelstra and Stan Van Gundy say 'hi'.
 
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Bucklion;1846945; said:
So it sounds like he wants to coach but he...I don't know...promised himself he wouldn't so he's going to look for someone else? WTF? If I'm a big-time guy and I have my choice, I'm not going to a place where the President is waiting to replace me with himself...
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I hope that is one promise he keeps. Look, Holmgren was a good coach. But it has been what....16 or 17 years since he won a Super Bowl? Maybe he made that promise to himself knowing that he is past his coaching prime to win it all. It is very hard to keep that promise to yourself, especially when one is a true competitor.
 
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If you listen to what is being said in the media, there is a lot of people in the NFL that think Mangini can coach (I agree). This is just a situation where this was not a good match which leads me to believe, as many of you have already stated, that Mangini should have been let go last year.

That being said, I, for one, don't want to see Marty Mohrhinweg come here as the new coach just because he has helped Michael Vick and the Eagles offense improve this year. The guy won 5 games in Detroit. For once, let's try and get someone in here with a winning record as a head coach, whether it be Chuckie or John Fox.
 
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