This. Good ownership breeds success. We have a fucking soccer fan at the helm. This franchise is permanently fucked until it gets an ownership group concerned with more than lining it's pockets.JCOSU86;1846502; said:
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Tonyank;1846601; said:
John Gruden just called, he said he's coming to save us!
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tsteele316
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NFBuck;1846600; said:
randy lerner hired a football guy to be team president and run things. he has an open checkbook. that's really all you can ask of an owner. everything else is just mindless bitching.
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NFBuck;1846600; said:
tsteele316;1846748; said:
The Browns are still paying for the things Lerner did (or didn't do, as the case may be) before he had the sense to put a football guy in place. I think they're on the right track now in that regard, but there's still a lot of crap to undo.
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Mangini fired as Browns coach after second 5-11 season By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sports columnist
Beacon Journal sports columnist
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Yep, being reported in all the local papers...the thing I will wonder is if the final game was 20-17, would Holmgren have kept him or not.
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ArmyVet83
Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!
Couldn't help but see this one coming since last season but damn even a combination of Bill Parcells, Don Shula and Tom Landry couldn't have done better with this roster. This team is still several years away from being playoff worthy. IMO, Mangini deserved better.
The game against Pittsburg was nothing more than jockeying for position in the upcoming draft. But I agree they could have made it a more interesting game.
The game against Pittsburg was nothing more than jockeying for position in the upcoming draft. But I agree they could have made it a more interesting game.
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tsteele316
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jlb1705;1846750; said:
randy lerner's biggest fault has been that he listens to the fans way too much.
cleveland had a front office structure in place back in 2005. john collins was the team president and opie savage the GM. Collins tried to tell Lerner that Opie was in over his head, and the fans nearly formed a lynch mob to march on berea before lerner caved and got rid of collins. who was right in that fiasco?
the bottom line is, under the current logic, whoever the next coach is can win no fewer than 7 games or he should be fired as well.
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kippy1040
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For as long as i have been a follower of the Browns, it is so hard for me to believe that this long lived traditional organization of NFL Football has never been to the Super Bowl. We have come so very close and that was 21 some odd years ago. And since then we have been floundering and going thru head coaches left and right.
You would have thought we could have righted this ship many years ago. But this is getting to be ridiculous. The NFL Hall of Fame sits right down the road from Cleveland, 50 or 60 miles away and so many busts of great Cleveland Brown are there for all to see.
The state of Ohio is a one of the most recruited areas for great football talent in colleges and the pros. And yet we still have problems trying to draft anybody who has the dream of one day playing for the Cleveland Browns. There has to be somebody out there in this country who can invision that idea of how to bring all this talent together to play thier hearts out for this great NFL franchise. Is there any kind of coach out there who can read into what i am saying here.
I have always wandered what would have happened
if Jim Tressel would have won the N/C games against Florida and LSU if he would have benn considered as the next head coach of the Browns. And do any of you think he would have been sucessful here. He has done so much for Ohio State Football since Woody Hayes and he can really organize what ever he attempts. But is there anybody out there with his ideas and thinking. That is the big question that i pose. I don't know how many years of my life that i have left but it sure is one of the things on my Bucket List to put down. To live & see the day that the Cleveland Browns, one day in my life, makes it to the Super Bowl. Because if there is one team that deserves it, it is the Browns.
You would have thought we could have righted this ship many years ago. But this is getting to be ridiculous. The NFL Hall of Fame sits right down the road from Cleveland, 50 or 60 miles away and so many busts of great Cleveland Brown are there for all to see.
The state of Ohio is a one of the most recruited areas for great football talent in colleges and the pros. And yet we still have problems trying to draft anybody who has the dream of one day playing for the Cleveland Browns. There has to be somebody out there in this country who can invision that idea of how to bring all this talent together to play thier hearts out for this great NFL franchise. Is there any kind of coach out there who can read into what i am saying here.
I have always wandered what would have happened
if Jim Tressel would have won the N/C games against Florida and LSU if he would have benn considered as the next head coach of the Browns. And do any of you think he would have been sucessful here. He has done so much for Ohio State Football since Woody Hayes and he can really organize what ever he attempts. But is there anybody out there with his ideas and thinking. That is the big question that i pose. I don't know how many years of my life that i have left but it sure is one of the things on my Bucket List to put down. To live & see the day that the Cleveland Browns, one day in my life, makes it to the Super Bowl. Because if there is one team that deserves it, it is the Browns.
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I don't think Tressel would have been happy nor successful...
He enjoys making a difference in a kids life... the arrogance in the pro ranks would not have meshed with his value system...
He enjoys making a difference in a kids life... the arrogance in the pro ranks would not have meshed with his value system...
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kippy1040
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NJ-Buckeye;1846798; said:
Yeah i have always thought about the arrogance of the pro ranks too. Maybe the NFL is not what it was or 30 years ago. And maybe i live in the past too much. I could be wrong here but i still believe that we can find somebody who really cares for this organization like Bernie Kosar did. I am not saying he would be a coach or anything like that but you get what i am saying.
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