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Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

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Thomas in an 'average' year is still pretty damn decent IMHO.


Just looking at some stats, I didn't realize quite the year Watson had. Not many TD catches, but nearly 700 yards receiving. That was a very solid trade for us.

edit: Hillis in Pro-Bowl discussion. I doubt he'll get the nod, but with the lack of offensive firepower on this team and the obvious running situations that we faced
on early downs - plus how late in the year he started. He'd be on my ballot if I had one.
 
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I've softened my stance on Mangini over the last 48 hours.

This team was not a contender on its best day and the managed to pull out some impressive wins. They were a tough out every week and really should have been better than their record indicates.

I think Mangini deserves to stick around and see if he can build on what we saw this year. Browns fans are pessimistic by nature (deservedly so given what we've endured for the last...forever). I'm actually looking forward to seeing what this organization does in the off season and really looking for some improvement next year.
 
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ysubuck;1842135; said:
I've softened my stance on Mangini over the last 48 hours.

This team was not a contender on its best day and the managed to pull out some impressive wins. They were a tough out every week and really should have been better than their record indicates.

I think Mangini deserves to stick around and see if he can build on what we saw this year. Browns fans are pessimistic by nature (deservedly so given what we've endured for the last...forever). I'm actually looking forward to seeing what this organization does in the off season and really looking for some improvement next year.
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I have had a pretty soft stance on Mangini, the level of talent on this team matches up pretty well with our record. Injuries to key guys really hurt a team that lacks depth like the Browns. Mangini demands the respect of his guys, asks them to play hard, intelligent, penalty free football.

But it ultimately comes down to whether or not Holmgren believes in him or not. In all honesty I'm behind whatever Holmgren chooses because he has better football knowledge then I do but in IMO I think Mangini gets another year.
 
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http://bleacherreport.com/tb/a7Nf7
Not since late, great Hall of Famer Gene Hickerson (1966-1971) and defensive back Frank Minnifield (1987-1990) had a Browns player been selected to four consecutive Pro Bowls, until left tackle Joe Thomas on Tuesday.

Thomas has blocked for three different 1,000-yard rushers: twice for former NFL running back Jamal Lewis in 2007 and 2008, and once for Peyton Hillis who has 1,164 yards with a week left this season. For Thomas, going to the Pro Bowl never gets old.

"I'm really excited," said Thomas told Matt Florjancic of ClevelandBrowns.com. "It's a great honor to represent the Cleveland Browns in my fourth straight Pro Bowl. It never gets old. It's such a great honor, such a great week to be out there with the best in the NFL and it never gets old. That's for sure."

Thomas and his AFC teammates will return to Hawaii to play in the Pro Bowl after the event was staged in Miami last year. Many players felt that moving the annual game to Florida wasn't much of a vacation for them and their families, and now Honolulu will play host to the world's best football again.

"I'm excited it's going back to Hawaii," said Thomas. "I think that's where it should be; that's where it's been for a long time. The players and their families really enjoy it the most when it's out there."

The Browns will have seven alternates:
Offensive linemen Alex Mack, Eric Steinbach and Hillis are the second alternates. Wide receiver and kick return specialist Joshua Cribbs, special teamer Ray Ventrone and fullback Lawrence Vickers were selected as the third alternates, while rookie defensive back Joe Haden was named a fourth alternate.
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http://bleacherreport.com/tb/a7Nf7
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I don't think Thomas deserved it this year. There were too many games where I saw the guy that he was supposed to be blocking get around him. He seemed to be a better player in prior years so I don't know why he performed so poorly this year. I guess maybe by the voting he didn't perform that badly compared to other LT's in the AFC.
 
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Would love to see the Browns pick up Mikel LeShoure in a mid-round if he is still around. Kid packs a wallop and would be a nice back-up to Hillis. I'm not sure they can count on Hardesty staying healthy.
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He would be a nice addition to our backfield but I don't think He will be around in the fourth round and with all of the needs that we have I would not take a RB before then if then.
 
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I would think that Wallace knows how Holmgren thinks pretty well
quarterback Seneca Wallace said what a lot of us have been thinking in an Associated Press account, that he believes Browns president Mike Holmgren is angling for a return to the sideline.

"I kind of do just because things probably haven't turned out the way he wanted on offense and being an offensive guy, I think he still has that itch to come back to coach," Wallace said.


"But at the end of the day, he's going to make the right decision for the rest of the team."


Wallace played for Coach Holmgren for seven years in Seattle, so his insight should count for something. It might not be appreciated by current coach Eric Mangini, though.
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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/12/31/daily-hunter.html?sid=101
 
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/12/cleveland_browns_phil_dawson_o.html

According to the above article, it looks like this might be the last day for Phil Dawson as a Cleveland Brown. I know that he wants a better contract but I still don't think that you can't find a much better place kicker in the NFL right now. I also hate to waste a draft choice on a good kicker and there have been a lot of college kickers that have turned out not so well when they have kicked in the NFL... especially in Cleveland. I would pay him the money and give him the two more years that he wants.
 
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If Mangini goes
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/steelers_grudge_match_overshad.html
A look at those candidates:

The Big Show: Will Holmgren descend from his ivory tower for one last coaching hurrah? A case can be made that of all the available candidates, he has the strongest credentials.

He boasts a 161-111 record in 17 seasons as head coach in Green Bay and Seattle, and a 13-11 mark in postseason. He's taken his teams to three Super Bowls and won one, with the Packers in 1996. He also has eight division titles and 12 playoff berths.

On Nov. 2, Holmgren admitted he's considered coaching the Browns when asked if he'll honor his commitment here. "I made a promise and I'm going to stick with it," he said. "Now if I keep wearing a suit or not? We'll see." A day later, on Dan Patrick's radio show, Holmgren re-iterated, "I don't know if [coaching] ever leaves you. [During games] I'm ranting and raving and jumping around and it's a challenge for me."

At 62, it's probably now or never for Holmgren, who's still referred to as "coach." Known for developing Hall of Fame quarterbacks Steve Young and Joe Montana, and future Hall of Famer Brett Favre, he's excited about Colt McCoy.

In addition to the opportunity here, he might get calls from the Cowboys and 49ers.


Jon Gruden: Holmgren and Gruden teamed up for the first time when Gruden became a 49ers assistant in 1990. Two years later, when Holmgren left for Green Bay, he took Gruden with him as receivers coach. Gruden went on to become coordinator of the Eagles and then head coach of the Raiders and Buccaneers.

In 2002, he led the Bucs to a Super Bowl victory over the Raiders. Overall, he's 95-81 in 11 seasons as head coach and 5-4 in the playoffs. Gruden said last year that he planned to honor his ESPN contract through 2011. But for the right opportunity, Gruden might jump.

Gruden, 47, was born and raised in Sandusky and grew up a Browns fan. He also attended the University of Dayton. Gruden loves McCoy from their time together for ESPN's pre-draft special and recommended Holmgren draft him. Gruden runs Mike Holmgren's West Coast offense, and the two have remained close.

Marty Mornhinweg: The current Eagles offensive coordinator is quickly becoming one of the hotter candidates for the 10 or so jobs that will be open.

But he's being mentioned as a Browns' candidate because of his strong ties with both Holmgren and Browns General Manager Tom Heckert. Holmgren hired him in 1995 with the Packers and he was Holmgren's receivers coach during their Super Bowl-winning season in 1996.

Mornhinweg, 48, also spent seven seasons with Heckert in Philadelphia. The two missed the playoffs only once during that span.

Yes, Mornhinweg went 5-27 as Lions head coach in 2001-2002, but many attribute that record to Matt Millen's poor talent acquisition.
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Mornhinweg has the Eagles flying high this season and has helped turn Michael Vick into a star. They're first in total yards (399.1) and second in scoring (28.4 points). Vick has a superb 100.2 passer rating and career-highs in TDs (21), yards (3,018) and completion percentage (.626).


Mornhinweg told the Philadelphia Daily News that he'd be a better head coach the next time around.

"Sometimes, to have success, you've got to have some failures," he said.
Mornhinweg runs the West Coast offense, a system the Browns think McCoy would excel in. He's also represented by Holmgren's high-powered agent Bob LaMonte, who also represents Gruden and John Fox.

John Fox: Fox has never worked with Holmgren, but the two know each other well from their years in the NFL and from being represented by LaMonte.

Fox, 55, has been told by the Panthers that he won't be back after a 2-13 season and a bottom-ranked offense. But Fox, who went 78-73 in nine seasons in Carolina, is still considered an excellent head coach. He took the Panthers -- and current Browns quarterback Jake Delhomme -- to the Super Bowl following the 2003 season and is 5-3 in postseason.

NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora and ESPN's John Clayton have mentioned Fox as a top Browns choice.
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