Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[tsteele316]

to get this thread back on track, there was some very good data on the OBR premium site that shows why this move was made, and why, IMO it was necessary.

bottom line, when your qb checks down 80% of the pass plays called, and 70% of those check downs are shown to be the wrong calls, and open guys are missed, you aren't long for a starting position.

I'd say this is something new with quinn, but in looking back at his 3 starts last year, it was a trend back then, it was simply masked by circumstances.

 

[Bucklion]

I think most would agree this team is going to suck this year no matter what, so the most important thing is figuring out who will be playing QB in 2010. If that's Anderson, that's fine, but what we can't have is the same mishandled bullshit at the start of next year that we had this year. I hope Anderson either takes the job and runs with it or else both guys get some chances, but either way this situation needs to be ironed out or both guys need to be cut and it needs to start over in the draft or FA in 2010. If Quinn can't play there's no reason to keep him, 1st rounder or not.

 

[NFBuck]

to get this thread back on track, there was some very good data on the OBR premium site that shows why this move was made, and why, IMO it was necessary.

bottom line, when your qb checks down 80% of the pass plays called, and 70% of those check downs are shown to be the wrong calls, and open guys are missed, you aren't long for a starting position.

I'd say this is something new with quinn, but in looking back at his 3 starts last year, it was a trend back then, it was simply masked by circumstances.

Agreed. I came in to the season saying BQ should be given his chance. DA had his, give one to the kid. Well, it's clear he's not the answer at this point. DA will surely continue like he has since late '07, but at least he gives you the potential to get the ball downfield. At this point, scoring a TD, any TD, has to be the priority. It's gonna take several INTs I'm sure, but I like the chances of actually scoring with DA over BQ at this point.

 

[OH10]

to get this thread back on track, there was some very good data on the OBR premium site that shows why this move was made, and why, IMO it was necessary.

bottom line, when your qb checks down 80% of the pass plays called, and 70% of those check downs are shown to be the wrong calls, and open guys are missed, you aren't long for a starting position.

I'd say this is something new with quinn, but in looking back at his 3 starts last year, it was a trend back then, it was simply masked by circumstances.

I disagree with the change. If you name Quinn your starting quarterback, you have to give him more than 2 and a half games. If he doesn't make the necessary improvements half way in the season, then you make DA your starter. But its not fair to either guy to make the change this early.

 

[Bucklion]

I disagree with the change. If you name Quinn your starting quarterback, you have to give him more than 2 and a half games. If he doesn't make the necessary improvements half way in the season, then you make DA your starter. But its not fair to either guy to make the change this early.

I doubt it's a permanent change unless Anderson goes 2007 on the Bengals.

 

[BuckeyeFan 52]

I think most would agree this team is going to suck this year no matter what, so the most important thing is figuring out who will be playing QB in 2010. If that's Anderson, that's fine, but what we can't have is the same mishandled bull[censored] at the start of next year that we had this year. I hope Anderson either takes the job and runs with it or else both guys get some chances, but either way this situation needs to be ironed out or both guys need to be cut and it needs to start over in the draft or FA in 2010. If Quinn can't play there's no reason to keep him, 1st rounder or not.

His $8 million dollar salary is the reason Randy Lerner HAS to keep him. Not many teams in this league are willing to pay a young player that kind of money with the lack of productivity that Quinn has shown in his opportunites. I'm not saying Quinn will be a Cleveland Brown in 2010, but he comes with a price tag, we can't forget that.

 

[tsteele316]

I disagree with the change. If you name Quinn your starting quarterback, you have to give him more than 2 and a half games. If he doesn't make the necessary improvements half way in the season, then you make DA your starter. But its not fair to either guy to make the change this early.

if quinn was making proper reads and just making bad decisions with his throws or was wimply inaccurate, he'd probably still be starting. but he has a bad trend of immediately checking down, whether there is pressure or not, and dumping the ball. it effectively kills the offense at all times. some of these check downs are audibles at the line, and some are jsut dumb progression reads.

bottom line is that you can't have a qb scared to run the offense under center. word is quinn was told to stop the check downs and he still shit himself and did it anyway.

 

[Bucklion]

His $8 million dollar salary is the reason Randy Lerner HAS to keep him. Not many teams in this league are willing to pay a young player that kind of money with the lack of productivity that Quinn has shown in his opportunites. I'm not saying Quinn will be a Cleveland Brown in 2010, but he comes with a price tag, we can't forget that.

If there's no cap next year that may not matter.

 

[IronBuckI]

His $8 million dollar salary is the reason Randy Lerner HAS to keep him. Not many teams in this league are willing to pay a young player that kind of money with the lack of productivity that Quinn has shown in his opportunites. I'm not saying Quinn will be a Cleveland Brown in 2010, but he comes with a price tag, we can't forget that.

DA is the one that is in year 2 of a 3 year $24 million contract with 13 million guaranteed. Quinn is in year 3 of a 5 year $20.2 million with 7.75 million guaranteed. By benching Quinn now, the Browns would save 1.32 million in incentives for playing 45% of the snaps this year. If Quinn doesn't play 70% of the snaps this season, then he also misses out on a $5 million escalator for 2010.

DA gets paid more than Brady, and keeping Brady on the bench makes more sense fiscally...especially if he's not performing...and he's not.

 

[strohs]

I want to see Ratliff start, there is nothing to lose, might as well give him a shot.

 

[NFBuck]

I want to see Ratliff start, there is nothing to lose, might as well give him a shot.

I'm sure he will in a couple weeks.

 

[osubartender23]

I'm sure he will in a couple weeks.

Hell I hear Ken Dorsey is available.... BQ or DA don't really seem to be the answer at QB and by the way we are playing we will get the #1 overall pick next year. Sam Bradford might not be a bad choice if he comes back healthy and performs like he did prior to his injury.

 

[Mike80]

Hell I hear Ken Dorsey is available.... BQ or DA don't really seem to be the answer at QB and by the way we are playing we will get the #1 overall pick next year. Sam Bradford might not be a bad choice if he comes back healthy and performs like he did prior to his injury.

Steve Young (thinking of a mobile QB) wouldn't be very good without any type of running game and this Browns team has virtually no running game right now.

Some of that can be attributed too Captain Checkdown and his 2 yard passes, but some of it is because I can run faster than Jamal Lewis can at this point.

Adding yet another statue at QB isn't going to really help anyway. This team has wayyyyyyy too many holes to think that adding a QB like Bradford (or Dorsey ) is going to fix anything.

 

[DGADBTWSOM]

Steve Young (thinking of a mobile QB) wouldn't be very good without any type of running game and this Browns team has virtually no running game right now.

Some of that can be attributed too Captain Checkdown and his 2 yard passes, but some of it is because I can run faster than Jamal Lewis can at this point.

Adding yet another statue at QB isn't going to really help anyway. This team has wayyyyyyy too many holes to think that adding a QB like Bradford (or Dorsey ) is going to fix anything.

Well, can Cribbs run back the ball on special teams and also play behind center?

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Well, can Cribbs run back the ball on special teams and also play behind center?

Yeah, based on the 4 INTs throw by Brown's QBs last game...I think I'd rather have Cribbs just run it every down...LOL!