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Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

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MaxBuck;1555386; said:
Sports Illustrated apparently thinks Mangini was the worst NFL coaching hire ever:

Eric Mangini - NFL's Worst Coach Hires Since '84 - Photos - SI.com

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I don't get this...

On The Fan yestreday ... "give Quinn more than 2 weeks to prove himeself, at least 6 weeks"

On the same segment "Mangini is horrible, he may not make it much longer"

Give the dude some time.. he's got a horrible team, and the players who were used to being coddled by Romeo aren't going to like his style until it starts producing results.

Give Mangini some time. But it's been 2 weeks and he's the worst hire ever? I don't buy it. More knee-jerk what-have-you-done-for-me-lately bullshit.
 
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Bleed S & G;1555423; said:
I don't get this...

On The Fan yestreday ... "give Quinn more than 2 weeks to prove himeself, at least 6 weeks"

On the same segment "Mangini is horrible, he may not make it much longer"

Give the dude some time.. he's got a horrible team, and the players who were used to being coddled by Romeo aren't going to like his style until it starts producing results.

Give Mangini some time. But it's been 2 weeks and he's the worst hire ever? I don't buy it. More knee-jerk what-have-you-done-for-me-lately bull[censored].
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Mangini is being seen as a dictator right now and there isn't ANYONE going to bat for him. I don't like how he has handled things since the draft in April. He hasn't handled the QB situation well since the spring. He's leveling ridiculous fines on players for offenses ranging from parking in the wrong spot to taking bottled water out of a hotel mini bar.

The players played like they have quit on him this past weekend and that's the worst thing a coach can go through. I feel that you have to at least show the players that you have a plan and the players have to buy in to that plan. That's not happening in Cleveland. Many teams will have problems with Baltimore and Minnesota so I don't think that's the issue. The issue is that Mangini has put himself on an island and there isn't anyone from the players to the guys in the Browns broadcast booth that are saying anything even remotely in support of the guy.

Mangini hasn't done anything yet to warrant him being disconnected and aloof. If you win then you can act any way you want, but Mangini is acting like he's some genious Super Bowl coach and the football team he is in charge of is losing badly with no wins on the horizon.

Like Crash Davis said to Nuke Laloosh:
"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show it just means you're a slob."
 
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Bleed S & G;1555423; said:
I don't get this...

On The Fan yestreday ... "give Quinn more than 2 weeks to prove himeself, at least 6 weeks"

On the same segment "Mangini is horrible, he may not make it much longer"

Give the dude some time.. he's got a horrible team, and the players who were used to being coddled by Romeo aren't going to like his style until it starts producing results.

Give Mangini some time. But it's been 2 weeks and he's the worst hire ever? I don't buy it. More knee-jerk what-have-you-done-for-me-lately bullshit.
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I agree that 3 games is not enough time to evaluate him, but one can't get past the fact that the team didn't even really look competitive the last 2 games, and that the offense has been completely inept. Completely. I don't expect wins right now, but I do expect it to look like a team capable of simple blocking and gap assignments and occasional scoring chances. I expect to see a team with inferior talent get beat because the other team is better, not because the QB can't complete a 5 yard pass and the defense can't tackle. Unfortunately, that's not what I've seen, and that is a reflection of the coach and the preparedness of the squad in the fundamentals. A scrappy NFL team with inferior talent but plenty of moxie can hack out 5-7 wins. They may still get there, but if this team goes 3-13 or worse, it isn't just the talent.
 
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ysubuck;1555444; said:
He hasn't handled the QB situation well since the spring.
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He hasn't had a QB since spring..

He's leveling ridiculous fines on players for offenses ranging from parking in the wrong spot to taking bottled water out of a hotel mini bar.
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You know what? Good for Mangini. Fuck these players who think their shit don't stink. They are shit. They are a cancer.

You make a million dollars a year and you're going to skip the bill on a bottle of water from the hotel? Why? I like that Mangini fined whoever it was to be honest.

The players played like they have quit on him this past weekend and that's the worst thing a coach can go through.
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I feel that you have to at least show the players that you have a plan and the players have to buy in to that plan. That's not happening in Cleveland.
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Your Crash Davis (great, great movie) quote sums this up. You win, the players will buy in. Some of the players have quit.. so sit them. Not like any of them are superstars anyways. Give Cribbs his money and sit these other motherfuckers out.

I hate being a Browns fan. Unreal. We are baddddd.
 
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I'm tired. I love the Browns but I don't see them coming back anytime soon and I think the hiring of Mangini was a very poor one. It's not so much the lack of being able to choose a QB during training camp but I guess I don't understand if Quinn was making wrong checks why was he named the starting QB at the beginning of the season. I guess it really doesn't matter more who are QB is because we have no playmakers and that's why I don't understand the need to get the ball down the field is the only "playmaker" is Edwards.

I also don't understand why Mangini brought so many Jets to the Browns because they certainly aren't helping our defense that much. Maybe those were the only guys from the NFL that would play for him.

Since 1999 I have been able to take losing games but I can never remember when we had all of our starters healthy and lose three games consecutively by the point differential which we have lost the first three of the season.

One final thought and perhaps this is in the wrong thread but I thought that Robiskie was one of the more polished WRs in the draft last year and yet he doesn't even suit up for the Cleveland Browns because of some "special teams" problem. I don't see many wide receivers playing special teams in the NFL so I would like to know what is the real issue. I don't think Cribbs is making that big of strides as a slot receiver or whatever and I would like Robiskie to at least be given a shot. That's all I can muster for now:sad:
 
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tsteele316;1555628; said:
per OBR:

McDonald benched, Mike Adams starting at cb (ouch)
Francies starting at nickle over Poteat
Massaquoi possibly #3 wr
Harrison starting regardless of Lewis
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I love Cribbs, but he shouldn't be higher than a 3rd or 4th WR. He is much better as a wildcard rather than a #2 WR. I think our coverage has hurt a little this year because Josh hasn't been a gunner. Pay the man and let him be all everything special teams like he used to be.
 
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tsteele316;1555628; said:
per OBR:

McDonald benched, Mike Adams starting at cb (ouch)
Francies starting at nickle over Poteat
Massaquoi possibly #3 wr
Harrison starting regardless of Lewis
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Mike Adams starts at corner??? Did McDonald get caught with nude pics of Mangini's wife or something? Yikes.

Harrison...I don't know, I like jim, but I don't know if he can handle a 20-25 carry pounding...or even 15 for that matter week in and week out.

I think Massaquoi is a fair player, but I'm not seeing whatever they are seeing thus far...maybe if he gets on the field more he can do more, I don't know.
 
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Bucklion;1555685; said:
Mike Adams starts at corner??? Did McDonald get caught with nude pics of Mangini's wife or something? Yikes.

Harrison...I don't know, I like jim, but I don't know if he can handle a 20-25 carry pounding...or even 15 for that matter week in and week out.

I think Massaquoi is a fair player, but I'm not seeing whatever they are seeing thus far...maybe if he gets on the field more he can do more, I don't know.
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that's okay news is the Browns coaching staff. I always thought that McDonald was a pretty good nickel back and to send him all the way to the bench... you said it:) I wonder if Mass... will be on the kickoff cover and return team
 
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DIddy isn't super dialed in.
My biggest beef with ManKok, isn't the unrest and craptacular play - Its the fact they held onto both QB's and Edwards (and Lewis/Rogers).

Prior to last years draft they (especially Quinn and Edwards) had value.

There value now is nill.

So they no have a team with the lowest talent base in the league and few viable assets for trades.

Think about it.

Joe Thomas, Edwards, Rogers, Cribbs, maybe Jackson are the only + players on the roster in my not so humble opinion.

What sort of draft picks do you think Quinn/ANderson and Edwards would fetch today compared to 6 months ago?

I'm still chapped that Savage mortaged a good chunk of the future for a QB who may not be able to play.

He must of bough Weis speil about "Quinn will be a top 3 QB in the league in 2 years". Sure he will and you will have a decided schematic advantage.
 
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cdiddy70;1555700; said:
DIddy isn't super dialed in.
My biggest beef with ManKok, isn't the unrest and craptacular play - Its the fact they held onto both QB's and Edwards (and Lewis/Rogers).

Prior to last years draft they (especially Quinn and Edwards) had value.

There value now is nill.

So they no have a team with the lowest talent base in the league and few viable assets for trades.

Think about it.

Joe Thomas, Edwards, Rogers, Cribbs, maybe Jackson are the only + players on the roster in my not so humble opinion.

What sort of draft picks do you think Quinn/ANderson and Edwards would fetch today compared to 6 months ago?

I'm still chapped that Savage mortaged a good chunk of the future for a QB who may not be able to play.

He must of bough Weis speil about "Quinn will be a top 3 QB in the league in 2 years". Sure he will and you will have a decided schematic advantage.
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That'll cost you $1,700.00
 
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