Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[OH10]

RBs are shit. DBs are shit.

James Davis looks like a talent, but so did Eric Zeier once in the preseason. I do see, however, that Lewis is done. If you look like that much shit in the preseason, pack it up and go home.


On ther quarterback front (since I know everyone is dying to hear my opinion), Quinn looked solid enough to warrant the No. 1 job ... for now. I still prefer DA, but I know the fans would boo him the first sign of struggle, so its not really worth it to put him into a no-win situation. Quinn will get a longer leash from the fanbase, so I give him the edge in a tight race.

 

[MUBuck]

RBs are [censored]. DBs are [censored].

James Davis looks like a talent, but so did Eric Zeier once in the preseason. I do see, however, that Lewis is done. If you look like that much [censored] in the preseason, pack it up and go home.


On ther quarterback front (since I know everyone is dying to hear my opinion), Quinn looked solid enough to warrant the No. 1 job ... for now. I still prefer DA, but I know the fans would boo him the first sign of struggle, so its not really worth it to put him into a no-win situation. Quinn will get a longer leash from the fanbase, so I give him the edge in a tight race.

As you said for Davis, the preseason doesn't mean a whole lot. I think the same applies for Lewis, and honestly I don't think he looks a lot different from last year. Logic says he's on his last leg so to speak, but I'm not sure we can rely on a rookie RB this year. I'm hoping Lewis can hold down the starting spot this year while Davis prepares for a full load next year.

Also, may I ask why you still prefer DA?

 

[jlb1705]

As most others, I really like Davis also but I don't think she is physically ready to start in the NFL.

Tuna, is that you?!

 

[jlb1705]

Let me put my preference for Davis this way:

The surest way to expose this lousy defense and any of the deficient QBs is to go out there this year and ram Lewis into the pile for 1-2 yards on first and second down. It'll lead to long passing downs, three-and-outs, and the defense being on the field for twenty minutes more per game than the offense. I'm not saying that Davis is the answer for this team necessarily, but Lewis definitely is not.

 

[LitlBuck]

Tuna, is that you?!

Hey, cut me some slack:tongue2: and please don't compare me to leave big Tuna.

James Davis looks like a talent, but so did Eric Zeier once in the preseason. I do see, however, that Lewis is done. If you look like that much [censored] in the preseason, pack it up and go home.

Excellent comparison Before you completely write Lewis offer this season you might want to try and remember what DL he was trying to run against last night and Davis didn't have that much success either.

We really need to improve our pass rush because Collins and Young both were getting way too much time to throw the ball. Our DBs are not that good and when given the time those two guys had to throw the ball it makes it even more difficult on them. Maybe it will help when Rogers comes back... if ever

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

A crappy back looks good with a great line

A great back looks bad with a crappy line

So.. a mediocre back will look mediocre with a mediocre line

 

[OH10]

Also, may I ask why you still prefer DA?

Maybe its the Al Davis in me, but he has good size, quick release and a big arm you can't teach. Brady doesn't. They're both young (although that gets lost in the argument sometimes), so both can grow. But I'll take the quick release and big arm.

And by the way: contrary to the beliefs of a few on the board, I don't hate Brady Quinn and I certainly don't have a bias against him because he went to Notre Dame. I actually like DA's talent. And contrary to a lot of the idiot fans at the games, I'm not going to boo Quinn if he starts throwing picks. You don't boo your players unless they just aren't giving effort.

 

[jlb1705]

Excellent comparison Before you completely write Lewis offer this season you might want to try and remember what DL he was trying to run against last night and Davis didn't have that much success either.

What about the DL Lewis ran against before that? He went off for 23 yards on 7 carries against Detroit. DETROIT! Meanwhile Davis, who supposedely struggled against Tennessee still managed 5.6 YPC - more than double what Lewis did against Tennessee and still significantly better than what Lewis did against Detroit - whose first team defense probably isn't as good as the Titans' second team.

 

[MUBuck]

Let me put my preference for Davis this way:

The surest way to expose this lousy defense and any of the deficient QBs is to go out there this year and ram Lewis into the pile for 1-2 yards on first and second down. It'll lead to long passing downs, three-and-outs, and the defense being on the field for twenty minutes more per game than the offense. I'm not saying that Davis is the answer for this team necessarily, but Lewis definitely is not.

Can we really count on Davis to give us more than Lewis though? I wholeheartedly agree that Lewis isn't and was never the answer, but I don't think they signed him with that in mind. Hopefully the O-line steps it up this year and we can give both guys 15 carries a game.

Maybe its the Al Davis in me, but he has good size, quick release and a big arm you can't teach. Brady doesn't. They're both young (although that gets lost in the argument sometimes), so both can grow. But I'll take the quick release and big arm.

And by the way: contrary to the beliefs of a few on the board, I don't hate Brady Quinn and I certainly don't have a bias against him because he went to Notre Dame. I actually like DA's talent. And contrary to a lot of the idiot fans at the games, I'm not going to boo Quinn if he starts throwing picks. You don't boo your players unless they just aren't giving effort.

I like DA's physical talents too, I just think he is lacking upstairs. This team can't afford to lose the turnover battle, and DA isn't exactly a check-down QB. Add in our defense, which I don't expect will force many turnovers or 3-and-outs, and we just won't be in position to win many games.

I have plenty of issues with Quinn's game as well, but I think one play last night sums up why I think he is the guy. In the second half, we were somewhere on Tennessee's 15-20 yard line. 3rd down, Heiden runs a corner route in the endzone and BQ misses him long. Some might say bad pass, we only got a field goal, can't punch it in, etc. However, the pass had great touch, and if Heiden wasn't going to catch that ball, nobody was. I think at least 6 or 7 times out of 10, BQ throws that ball for a TD. I think if DA throws that ball 10 times, the defense comes away with 3 picks.

 

[jlb1705]

Can we really count on Davis to give us more than Lewis though? I wholeheartedly agree that Lewis isn't and was never the answer, but I don't think they signed him with that in mind. Hopefully the O-line steps it up this year and we can give both guys 15 carries a game.

Count on him? No. But there's a chance. For me the real question is, is there a chance of getting more out of Lewis than they've been getting out of him? The answer seems to be no. I prefer Davis because at least the chance is there.

 

[jlb1705]

I think if DA throws that ball 10 times, the defense comes away with 3 picks.

And Braylon drops the five that hit him in the hands instead of the CB.

 

[LitlBuck]

What about the DL Lewis ran against before that? He went off for 23 yards on 7 carries against Detroit. DETROIT! Meanwhile Davis, who supposedely struggled against Tennessee still managed 5.6 YPC - more than double what Lewis did against Tennessee and still significantly better than what Lewis did against Detroit - whose first team defense probably isn't as good as the Titans' second team.

okay I can wait until the regular season but the one play that sticks out in my mind from last night was the Browns third play from scrimmage Davis caught a short pass and was immediately stopped by 2 defenders about 1 yard from a first down. I think Lewis might have gotten that yard but we shall see as the season progresses

 

[AKAK]

Count on him? No. But there's a chance. For me the real question is, is there a chance of getting more out of Lewis than they've been getting out of him? The answer seems to be no. I prefer Davis because at least the chance is there.

Well... I think you're gonna see them both get the rock plenty this year.... Lewis, may or may not be out of gas... but... I really don't think he's a 25 carry guy by any stretch... so... someone has to get at least 8-10 (meaning Davis) at this point.

 

[AKAK]

Maybe its the Al Davis in me, but he has good size, quick release and a big arm you can't teach. Brady doesn't. They're both young (although that gets lost in the argument sometimes), so both can grow. But I'll take the quick release and big arm.

Where's Jeff George when you need him?

Not a knock, and I see your point, for sure, but, I think Quinn fits the rest of the team better...

Of course that's no way to develop either... but... I think (hope) Quinn will be able to possess the ball and maintain drives a bit better...

Defense off the field, control the clock... Yeah... well... whatever... Tresselball and all that.

 

[Piney]

okay I can wait until the regular season but the one play that sticks out in my mind from last night was the Browns third play from scrimmage Davis caught a short pass and was immediately stopped by 2 defenders about 1 yard from a first down. I think Lewis might have gotten that yard but we shall see as the season progresses

The difference is Lewis would have had to fight for the last 3-4 yards versus Davis needing to fight for 1 yard. Lewis is just looking slower and slower on each run.

I think the big reason for optimism with Davis is the fact that if he didn't stay in college for his Senior season he was being talked about as a 2nd/3rd round pick. Instead he goes back to college and is lost in the clusterfuck known as the Clemson season. So he feels more like a diamond in the rough than a total nobody coming out of nowhere.

But it isn't like I want Davis to be the full time starter. Give Lewis the short yardage situations, and other carries. Harrison if/when he gets healthy get the 3rd down situations and sprinkle him in. Then Davis is the guy you run on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 6. I would love to see them all split carries, getting about 10 carries each.