Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[aurorabuckeye13]

It's still likely going to be a pick valued higher than an unproven Brady Quinn. I don't see the Niners getting a pick out of the top 15.

(I follow the Niners pretty heavily)

When the Browns traded their #1 next year for the 22nd pick in the draft to get Quinn, everyone thought that would be a top-5 pick in the draft next year. It turned out to be in the 20's. My point is, teams usually believe they're a couple players away and some luck from the playoffs.

 

[MUBuck]

I've said it before, but Crabtree= Peter Warrick to me. I don't want immediate help to come from a flashy, quick but not fast, small, receiver from a gimmick offense. At the very least, the gimmick offense will handicap him for three years, because he doesn't know how to run the right routes, doesn't know a pro-style offense, and he won't be in camp his rookie season, his second year will be his first full season, and his third year we'll know what he can do, and we can trade him for a fourth round pick.

Sarcasm? The Crabtree/Warrick comparison is awful IMO. They are nowhere near the same type of receiver. Crabtree is listed at 6'3" 214, and I never saw a highlight of him making all 11 guys miss in 1 play like Warrick.

What's a pro-style offense have to do with his routes? If anything, he has more practice running different kinds of routes. It's not like he's coming from a team that runs the triple option. TTech's "gimmick" is throwing the ball 60 times a game, not running trick plays or spread options.

 

[3074326]

When the Browns traded their #1 next year for the 22nd pick in the draft to get Quinn, everyone thought that would be a top-5 pick in the draft next year. It turned out to be in the 20's. My point is, teams usually believe they're a couple players away and some luck from the playoffs.

It could be anything, but that doesn't change the fact that this new regime has made it pretty clear that they'll trade someone they're not happy with. I think they'd jump all over a first round pick for Quinn if they weren't happy with him (especially with Anderson as a backup). The fact that this offer is still on the table shows me that they think Quinn has something.

I think the new Browns management feel that they're more than a couple players away from the playoffs.

 

[Piney]

I've said it before, but Crabtree= Peter Warrick to me. I don't want immediate help to come from a flashy, quick but not fast, small, receiver from a gimmick offense. At the very least, the gimmick offense will handicap him for three years, because he doesn't know how to run the right routes, doesn't know a pro-style offense, and he won't be in camp his rookie season, his second year will be his first full season, and his third year we'll know what he can do, and we can trade him for a fourth round pick.

Sarcasm? The Crabtree/Warrick comparison is awful IMO. They are nowhere near the same type of receiver. Crabtree is listed at 6'3" 214, and I never saw a highlight of him making all 11 guys miss in 1 play like Warrick.

What's a pro-style offense have to do with his routes? If anything, he has more practice running different kinds of routes. It's not like he's coming from a team that runs the triple option. TTech's "gimmick" is throwing the ball 60 times a game, not running trick plays or spread options.

Iron, you ever watch Crabtree?

Right with you MUBuck. Crabtree/Warrick are far from the same type of player. You want the Peter Warrick comparrison in this draft? Maclin, Maclin is Warrick and Warrick is Maclin. Same exact type of player.

Crabtree is a phyiscal WR like Andre Johnson. Not even in the same ballpark stylewise as Warrick

 

[Buckeneye]

So anybody take a gander at the 09 scheduale?

Open with Minnesota, close with Jacksonsville.

 

[IronBuckI]

Yes, I saw him play as many times as they were on TV in Columbus, which was about 4-5 last season, and 2-3 times his freshman year. Johnson is bigger and faster than Crabtree. Crabtree measured in at 6'1" at the combine..he's not 6'3" and he's not 230 lbs like Johnson was out of Miami. Johnson also played in a pro-style offense and didn't get the majority of his catches on bubble screens (generalization, but you know what I mean). Much less of a learning curve for Johnson. Crabtree has good hands on the initial catch but waves the fucking ball all over the place. Crabtree had problems getting separation on the few actual routes that he did run...in the Big12...against those defenses. That can be a plus, considering his high recpetions total, if you need to fit the ball in a tight spot, but when you can't get open in last season's Big 12, you might have some problems in the NFL.

Unlike Warrick. Everything that I've read about him suggests that Crabtree is a good guy, good teammate and hard worker. Something the Browns could use.

He's put up big numbers, but he is no Andre Johnson. He may be better than Warrick, but he isn't good enough to be a top 10 pick, IMO, let alone the #5 pick.

 

[3074326]

He's put up big numbers, but he is no Andre Johnson.

This I agree with, but I think he's the best WR in the draft. Maclin I see as an all-purpose guy, like a Tedd Ginn. I haven't seen Maclin much.. but I think he was primarily in the slot, so that raises some concerns. Like I said, I haven't seen Maclin much.. but that's what I've been reading/hearing.

 

[billmac91]

I've got a lot of Crantree reservations myself.....the Peter Warrick comparison is hogwash, if for no other reason, FSU didn't run a wide-opn spread offense.

I think you can be worried about his productivity in the NFL in line with a lot of UF receivers who were stars at he college level under Spurriers system but never developed in the NFL....at least to expectaions (Ike Hilliard, Reidell Anthony, Jaquez Green). As someone else stated, Crabtree will be solid, but IMO is not top 10 worthy. I think a lot of receivers could have put up his numbers and built their resume to his status had they been in his shoes. I just don't see Crabtree at the 2007 Braylon level, or elite NFL receiver like Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.

 

[Bucks21]

New mock draft. I like the picks that he has for cleveland I don't really disagree with any of them. I really like Johnson in the 2nd. Plus, he is assuming they trade Braylon so they would have more picks in the top part of this draft than what is shown.
Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Mock Draft

 

[IronBuckI]

I've got a lot of Crantree reservations myself.....the Peter Warrick comparison is hogwash, if for no other reason, FSU didn't run a wide-opn spread offense.

I think you can be worried about his productivity in the NFL in line with a lot of UF receivers who were stars at he college level under Spurriers system but never developed in the NFL....at least to expectaions (Ike Hilliard, Reidell Anthony, Jaquez Green). As someone else stated, Crabtree will be solid, but IMO is not top 10 worthy. I think a lot of receivers could have put up his numbers and built their resume to his status had they been in his shoes. I just don't see Crabtree at the 2007 Braylon level, or elite NFL receiver like Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.

Similar projected draft position, and for the late 90's Chris Weinke and FSU had a pretty open offense. You're right though. Not a spread, which means there's another handicap for Crabtree to overcome.

 

[Piney]

Yes, I saw him play as many times as they were on TV in Columbus, which was about 4-5 last season, and 2-3 times his freshman year. Johnson is bigger and faster than Crabtree. Crabtree measured in at 6'1" at the combine..he's not 6'3" and he's not 230 lbs like Johnson was out of Miami. Johnson also played in a pro-style offense and didn't get the majority of his catches on bubble screens (generalization, but you know what I mean). Much less of a learning curve for Johnson. Crabtree has good hands on the initial catch but waves the fucking ball all over the place. Crabtree had problems getting separation on the few actual routes that he did run...in the Big12...against those defenses. That can be a plus, considering his high recpetions total, if you need to fit the ball in a tight spot, but when you can't get open in last season's Big 12, you might have some problems in the NFL.

Unlike Warrick. Everything that I've read about him suggests that Crabtree is a good guy, good teammate and hard worker. Something the Browns could use.

He's put up big numbers, but he is no Andre Johnson. He may be better than Warrick, but he isn't good enough to be a top 10 pick, IMO, let alone the #5 pick.

Ok, Andre Johnson was a bit much. But when watching him in college thinking he was 6'3, the Johnson comparrison is what popped in my head. Mainly because of how physical he is catching the ball. He is not your normal quick smurf playing in a spread offense. He fights for the ball and was physical with DBs.

To me, that style of play translates better to the NFL than a WR that relies on quickness (ie Maclin) One reason I love Nicks too.

It could be anything, but that doesn't change the fact that this new regime has made it pretty clear that they'll trade someone they're not happy with. I think they'd jump all over a first round pick for Quinn if they weren't happy with him (especially with Anderson as a backup). The fact that this offer is still on the table shows me that they think Quinn has something.

I think the new Browns management feel that they're more than a couple players away from the playoffs.

Just wanting to comment on the possible Quinn trade. Just imagine you are the new GM of an organization and you don't really like your 'star' players. Or players that have value. You feel they are overvalued at this moment. You are starting new, so you have time. You can dump 'all' of these players and grab a ton of picks. You do it.

If they trade both Braylon and Quinn you are looking at the #5, #10 & #29, plus 2/3 picks in the 2nd round plus probably a couple of 3rd rounders (I assume they are trying to pry the 3rd rounders from NYG & SF)

That is ALOT of good young talent you can draft to kick start the rebuilding process in a blaze. Just for giggles...

#5 - Crabtree (Maybe Mark Sanchez?)
#10 - Beanie
#29 - Clay Matthews Jr, or another pass rushing OLB
2nd Round - A Safety and another LB
3rd Round - RT prospect

Just imagine the possibilities.

 

[LitlBuck]

New mock draft. I like the picks that he has for cleveland I don't really disagree with any of them. I really like Johnson in the 2nd. Plus, he is assuming they trade Braylon so they would have more picks in the top part of this draft than what is shown.
Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Mock Draft

I could live with that draft also but I don't know that much about the OLB English out of Northern Illinois and I doubt if Johnson will last that long. However, the guy doing the mock fills some of our needs plus he does a nice summary of Crabtree's attributes. Crabtree would become a must if we trade Edwards because he is the best WR coming out this year.

 

[OH10]

There are going to be some serious steals on draft day with the sliding running backs, defensive backs and linebackers.

I'm still shocked that Aaron Curry is rated that high on the draft board because there's not a lot of difference between him and the USC backers. And watch out for Travis Beckum on draft day. Someone may get a huge steal at the TE position in Round 3 if he truly drops that far.

I hate that we're drafting in the top 10. No one projected to be in the top 10 is THAT much better at their position than those 10-40, except for the offensive line position and the quarterback position. (maybe wide receiver IF you think that highly of Crabtree and/or Maclin, which I don't)

 

[tsteele316]

I could live with that draft also but I don't know that much about the OLB English out of Northern Illinois and I doubt if Johnson will last that long. However, the guy doing the mock fills some of our needs plus he does a nice summary of Crabtree's attributes. Crabtree would become a must if we trade Edwards because he is the best WR coming out this year.

this mock draft as a whole is beyond putrid on many levels.

 

[LitlBuck]

this mock draft as a whole is beyond putrid on many levels.

I was talking more about the Browns specifically not the rest of the teams.


I would like to get your guys take on if we do trade Quinn do you really want to live with Anderson I really hate to get rid of Quinn when we really have not seen him perform that much in an NFL uniform. Anderson, on the other hand I have seen enough.