Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[NFBuck]

Haden would be a safe pick but if Holmgren goes offense the only guys I could see going that high would be a stud RT. Like you said, there are not many skilled players worthy of that pick and perhaps sliding down would be good but that's not always easy.

Would be a safe pick, but if Suh, G. McCoy and Berry are already off the board, it could be a lot worse. Okung (sp?) the Tackle from OkSt might be an option as well. I'm interested to see what Haden does in the Sugar Bowl against Cinci's passing attack. I'm assuming he'll go up against Gilyard. I've seen a handful of UF games this year and always came away impressed with Haden. Him and Wright could make for a solid CB duo.

Do you know what the status is of the current QB of the Seahawks--Hassleback UFA. I have heard some chatter about Holmgren might want to bring him in.

God, I hope not. He's old and breaking down physically. It would be another spin on the Garcia-Dilfer merry-go-round. If he's looking to bring him in solely to back up Quinn, then maybe. Brady has been pretty damned injury prone. Of course playing behind a porous OL will do that.

 

[NFBuck]

Its defense first for the Browns because I believe even Holmgren will realize there's not an offensive player in this years draft worthy of a top 5 pick (maybe)

Agreed here.

Its Suh or Berry. Doesn't bother me either way. I feel we'll most likely land Berry. And Haden might be available either late 1st or early 2nd. If he's there that early in the 2nd I say grab him immediately. We can then put our priority on RB and ILB and look the other possibilities to address RT and QB.

Right now, it's likely Suh and Berry will both be off the board when the Browns pick...depending on how the rest of the season shakes out, obviously. But it looks like TB, STL and DET in some combination will be going 1-2-3 and Suh and Berry will almost certainly be grabbed by them. I don't see any scenario, barring a disasterous workout, that Suh doesn't go number one. He's the most dominant college defensive player I've seen in a long time. I just can't see either of them slipping past that trifecta. Gerald McCoy maybe. Ga Tech E/LB Derrick Morgan is getting mentioned a lot too.

As for Hayden, I haven't seen very many (reputable) mocks or draft discussions have him much outside the top ten. If he has a good showing in the Sugar Bowl, he'll probably be a lock for that, so I don't see the Browns getting him with any of their other picks.

For RB, I'd love to see Gerhart slip to the Browns in round 2. Fresno State's Ryan Matthews is a possibility too.

 

[LitlBuck]

There might be a slim hope if Tampa Bay or St. Louis might go after McCoy or Bradford. That way we would move into the top three. I'll have to look up to draft board but I'm curious about a ILB or OLB but that's not really a position of need now that we have found Roth:)

 

[NFBuck]

There might be a slim hope if Tampa Bay or St. Louis might go after McCoy or Bradford. That way we would move into the top three. I'll have to look up to draft board but I'm curious about a ILB or OLB but that's not really a position of need now that we have found Roth:)

I'll be shocked if Bradford goes that high, I just can't see him as a top-3 pick...but I've been wrong before and St. Louis needs a QB badly. TB won't be looking for a QB, that's for sure..they just drafted Freeman in rd 1 this year.

As for LB, it's a weak year for them...at least as far as potential high picks. Morgan's more of a tweener...most likely a pro DE. He would seem to be a good fit for a 3-4 DE. Outside of him, you might be able to grab somebody in round 2 or 3.

 

[Buckeneye]

TB would be looking at RT, where (arguably) there biggest issue is.

Okung might be off the board right there, I'm not saying he's worthy of a top 5 pick, but that appears to be an immediate need with that franchise. STL is looking QB I would think.

So the Bradford - Clasuen (sp?) situation could play into our hands. As for DET. Well there still the same team that drafted WR what? 4 years in a row? You never know what they might pull.

Like I said, I fully expect Berry to fall into our pick.

The RB class isn't all world, but its deep. Matthews, Gerhart, Dwyer, Spiller (kid from Miss?) there's a few possible late round steals in there easy.

And if were talking LB possibilities, I"m all sold on McClain...

 

[NFBuck]

TB would be looking at RT, where (arguably) there biggest issue is.

True.

STL is looking QB I would think.

I think they are too, Mallett may be a possibility as well.

As for DET. Well there still the same team that drafted WR what? 4 years in a row? You never know what they might pull.

That was all Matt Millen. He's gone. I don't look for them to continue to make those kind of moronic choices.

Like I said, I fully expect Berry to fall into our pick.

I hope so, definately possible.

The RB class isn't all world, but its deep. Matthews, Gerhart, Dwyer, Spiller (kid from Miss?) there's a few possible late round steals in there easy.

Agreed here. I think Spiller goes in round one for sure. The others I don't know. one of them will certainly be there in round 2.

And if were talking LB possibilities, I"m all sold on McClain...

If he comes out, he may be a possibility as well. Good player.

 

[LitlBuck]

TB would be looking at RT, where (arguably) there biggest issue is.

Okung might be off the board right there, I'm not saying he's worthy of a top 5 pick, but that appears to be an immediate need with that franchise. STL is looking QB I would think.

So the Bradford - Clasuen (sp?) situation could play into our hands. As for DET. Well there still the same team that drafted WR what? 4 years in a row? You never know what they might pull.

Like I said, I fully expect Berry to fall into our pick.

The RB class isn't all world, but its deep. Matthews, Gerhart, Dwyer, Spiller (kid from Miss?) there's a few possible late round steals in there easy.

And if were talking LB possibilities, I"m all sold on McClain...

I hope you are correct about the teams ahead of us and we do get a chance at Berry. I think Spiller from Clemson is probably the highest rated running back but I don't see them going until the middle of the first-round. I just don't think he is durable enough to run inside in the NFL. I like the kid from Stanford but every time I think of a running back from Stanford, it throws me back to touchdown Tommy which did not work out very well for the Browns.

I like McClain also but maybe in the second round if he is still around.
Sorry misread your post when you were talking about Spiller. I should have known that you knew he was from Clemson.

 

[ulukinatme]

God, I hope not. He's old and breaking down physically. It would be another spin on the Garcia-Dilfer merry-go-round. If he's looking to bring him in solely to back up Quinn, then maybe. Brady has been pretty damned injury prone. Of course playing behind a porous OL will do that.

I agree, bringing in Hasselback would probably be a bad move, he's not that young and not durable. Brady getting injured like this the last two years has been a bit of a shocker, he never missed a game in college that I can recollect. Played injured, and his offense line wasn't that great either. He's a workhorse in the gym, NFL is a whole 'nother ball game though.

 

[Buckeneye]

I think they are too, Mallett may be a possibility as well.

Unless I've severely missed something, pretty sure Mallet is staying one more year. In which case, (barring disaster) you can book him as the #1 overall in the 2011 draft.

That was all Matt Millen. He's gone. I don't look for them to continue to make those kind of moronic choices.

Touche'. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they drafted Oline this go around. Defense means alot to me, but I'd be willing to wager there still concerned about protecting their young QB.

Agreed here. I think Spiller goes in round one for sure. The others I don't know. one of them will certainly be there in round 2.

Many of them will be there in round 2. Including Matthews. Once we get closer to the draft the Reggie Bush/ Chris Johnson comparisons to Spiller will really kick up. It'll be either a big "hell yes" or a "no thanks" from NFL teams in the 1st. He could fall late 1st, hell given the amount of defensive and non skill position top-end talent, he may go as the 33rd pick.

If he comes out, he may be a possibility as well. Good player.

McClain will, and if he's available come 2nd round, I would't skip a heartbeat in drafting him. A healthy Jackson, Wimbley, Suh and McClain would be a helluva combination in the DL/LB corps.

You want another situation? We take a 2nd round pick and grab Coleman.

Jackson, Wimbley, Suh, McClain and Coleman on defense. - that's a damn fine start if I may say so myself.

 

[Buckeneye]

I agree, bringing in Hasselback would probably be a bad move, he's not that young and not durable. Brady getting injured like this the last two years has been a bit of a shocker, he never missed a game in college that I can recollect. Played injured, and his offense line wasn't that great either. He's a workhorse in the gym, NFL is a whole 'nother ball game though.

And while this is very true, there's also other tools Hasselback can bring.
Look, either DA or Brady is gone, maybe even both. Hindsight saying that DA will be sent packing because Holmgren might see some promise in a young QB to mold.

So Hassellback can be brought in (very) very cheap, as an insurance policy; but not only that, to help guide a young QB in a new system, as Matt obviously has great experience and a deep connection to our new President.
He could work and help 'school' Brady or any other young QB we happen to bring in (please god Troy) on the in's and out's of the system, the scheme, playcalls and audibles.

However this is only dependent on two things. Either Mangini is gone, or he adopts and starts running something resemblent or a wrinkle of the West Coast. Highly doubtful seeing the priority he puts on the running game.

 

[NFBuck]

Unless I've severely missed something, pretty sure Mallet is staying one more year. In which case, (barring disaster) you can book him as the #1 overall in the 2011 draft.

He's gauging his NFL interest. More times than not, for a highly rated prospect, that means they're going. Mallett had a big year, has a huge arm and is probably the best prospect of the bunch. I'd be surprised if he doesn't throw his hat in the ring.

Ryan Mallett seeking his NFL draft grade - College Fantasy Football Insider

Touche'. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they drafted Oline this go around. Defense means alot to me, but I'd be willing to wager there still concerned about protecting their young QB.

It's possible, but I'd have to think it's a matter of value. If they're picking in the top-3, with 3 big time defensive prospects, I'd think they'd make the correct value pick. Okung may be a good one, but right now, I don't think he's seen as a top-3 pick.

McClain will, and if he's available come 2nd round, I would't skip a heartbeat in drafting him. A healthy Jackson, Wimbley, Suh and McClain would be a helluva combination in the DL/LB corps.

It would. But, I see our chances at Suh as slim to none at this point. He's in all likelihood going #1 overall. I certainly can't see him slipping past #3 and I have a hard time seeing the Browns getting into the top-3 with DET, STL, TB and KC out there. Admittedly, I don't know much about McClain's draft stock...would he make it to round 2?

 

[LitlBuck]

If McClain doesn't make it to the second round how about taking Hughes from TCU in the second or is he more of a hybrid which I don't want anymore.

 

[LitlBuck]

There is this and then there is a glowing report on Cleveland.com from how the Browns made such a great decision. All sorts of glowing remarks by Ron Wolf, former president of the Packers.

Rumblings
Bob Hunter
December 25, 2009

As the Cleveland Browns were finishing up their negotiations with Mike Holmgren for the position of team president, an NFL source who asked to remain anonymous was telling Pro Football Weekly what a mistake it would be. The one thing Holmgren reportedly won't do -- at least for now -- is coach, which is what the source saw as his strength.

Holmgren was both general manager and coach for a while with Seattle, but the Seahawks went to the Super Bowl after he gave up the front office job and concentrated on coaching.

"Does anyone ever look at history before they make decisions?" the source said. "I think he is a great coach but as a personnel guy, he was terrible and there was a reason -- he is too emotional to be a personnel guy. You have to take emotion out of it.

"Hey, emotion works as a coach, and there are a lot of different types of emotion. Bill Cowher and Dick Vermeil were very emotional and on different ends of the spectrum. But if you look at Seattle's drafts between 1999 and 2006 (Holmgren's tenure as GM) and look at the picks in the first three rounds, Seattle's batting percentage was marginal at best. They hit on 10 of 27 picks -- 37 percent. Pittsburgh and Indianapolis were batting over 60 percent."

Bob Hunter commentary: Rumblings | The Columbus Dispatch

 

[Buckeyedynasty]

In all fairness to Bob Hunter and his rumblings column from above, I'd be thrilled with a 37% success rate in the draft. To go from virtually 0 to 37% would be fantastic. Let's face it, drafting guys who end up as busts and instability with our coaching staff have doomed the Browns since their return. I'll take Holmgren and his 37% draft success rate over former coaches like Butch Davis any day. Bring it on. Grab Suh or Berry in the 1st round and I'll be happy with anything they get after that.

GO BROWNIES! WOOF, WOOF, WOOF!!!

 

[NFBuck]

In all fairness to Bob Hunter and his rumblings column from above, I'd be thrilled with a 37% success rate in the draft. To go from virtually 0 to 37% would be fantastic. Let's face it, drafting guys who end up as busts and instability with our coaching staff have doomed the Browns since their return. I'll take Holmgren and his 37% draft success rate over former coaches like Butch Davis any day. Bring it on. Grab Suh or Berry in the 1st round and I'll be happy with anything they get after that.

GO BROWNIES! WOOF, WOOF, WOOF!!!

Not gonna happen now.