Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[exhawg]

Charlie Weis ready to save Cleveland Browns' offense? - Sports Rumors - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports

I don't understand this article (insert Browns joke here). How would you interview a guy to be the OC when you are planning on firing the head coach after the season? What HC is going to want to come into a place and not get to pick his assistants? The only way I see Weis coming to Cleveland if if Mangini is still the coach next year. If they fire him and bring in someone new I would think they will stay away from the Patriots coaching tree, Weis included.
If I had control of this team I would draft Suh with the first pick, Fix the right side of the OL by draft or FA, and then use the rest of the picks on the defense.
I don't know what kind of contract they signed Roth to for this season, but remembering what he did to OSU in college I'd bring him back. I would also be very happy if they would bring in a personnel man that likes Ohio kids i.e. Kurt Coleman.

 

[LitlBuck]

It really shows how far the Browns have fallen when I had to look at the second page of the Pro Football forum to find this thread.

I have mixed emotions about the article below from Cleveland.com. Getting rid of Mangini would be nice but I do not know if I could tolerate Charlie in Cleveland. I often wonder who ran the show when Charlie and Romeo were the coordinators in New England. Was it big Charlie and Romeo who actually ran the offense and defense or was it all Belichick.

Could former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis join the Cleveland Browns?
By Starting Blocks
December 08, 2009, 10:36AM

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk writes that former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis could join the Cleveland Browns as an offensive coordinator next season.

This would re-unite Weis with Browns quarterback Brady Quinn, who was the quarterback at Notre Dame under Weis.

It seems like Weis join the Browns only if coach Eric Mangini was no longer here, because of Weis' close relationship with Patriots coach Bill Belichick and the intense hatred between Belichick and Mangini, due to Spygate and other complications.

There's also another fairly surprising rumor that Weis met over the weekend with owner Randy Lerner and G.M. trainee Bernie Kosar.
We're not sure what to make of it, and we're putting it out there primarily because it's an intriguing possibility.

Could former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis join the Cleveland Browns? | Starting Blocks - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com

 

[jlb1705]

Aston Villa supporters should be happy Bill Belichick wasn't a soccer coach instead. This is getting ridiculous.

EDIT: "Getting" ridiculous?! This IS ridiculous.

Does anybody know who does Belichick's taxes? He might be a good candidate too.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

I have mixed emotions about the article below from Cleveland.com. Getting rid of Mangini would be nice but I do not know if I could tolerate Charlie in Cleveland.

Obviously you don't own a restaurant in Cleveland... cuz if you did... you would be ecstatic to land Charlie

 

[3074326]

Woman says Suggs hit her, spilled bleach on her | ProFootballTalk.com

Williams said Suggs threw a soap dispenser at her head, hit her in the chest with his hand, and held a bottle of bleach over her and her 1-year-old son. According to Williams, Suggs said he was going to "drown [her] with this bleach." She says she put her hands over the cap, but the bleach spilled onto her and her son.

Not really Browns related, but a good example of why I think Brady Quinn did a great thing when he injured Suggs, and why I think it's stupid that they were pissed about it. Suggs is a piece of shit.

Hurting Suggs was the best thing Brady did all year.

 

[billmac91]

Couple of quick thoughts....why would Weis want to join Mangini when Magini basically outed New England for spygate. Mangini is a huge portion of that black cloud over Weis's head. Logically, Cleveland would make sense, but I can't believe Weis and Mangini are on good terms.

If you fire Mangini, you absolutely cannot hire Weis and make him the offensive coordinator before a Head Coach is hired. That'd be about as dumb as hiring a Head Coach and then hiring a GM. You don't think Weis would feel like he could call a lot of the shots?

As far as drafting Suh...he's amazing but I don't think he projects best as a 3-4 DE. He certainly isn't a 3-4 NT. Unless we are planning to go to a 4-3, I'm not sure he's the right pick. Not to say he'd be a bad pick, and let him play as an end, I just don't like the idea, especially after the fail of Corey Williams. I think you ideally want large DE's who have experience playing end. That being said, outside of Eric Berry and Suh, I'm not sure who is a sure-fire impact player is in most of the mock drafts I've seen. It's definately difficult to great value in the top 5, and it hamstrings the front office when you're shelling out millions of dollars to unproven rookies every year.

 

[tsteele316]

Couple of quick thoughts....why would Weis want to join Mangini when Magini basically outed New England for spygate. Mangini is a huge portion of that black cloud over Weis's head. Logically, Cleveland would make sense, but I can't believe Weis and Mangini are on good terms.

If you fire Mangini, you absolutely cannot hire Weis and make him the offensive coordinator before a Head Coach is hired. That'd be about as dumb as hiring a Head Coach and then hiring a GM. You don't think Weis would feel like he could call a lot of the shots?

As far as drafting Suh...he's amazing but I don't think he projects best as a 3-4 DE. He certainly isn't a 3-4 NT. Unless we are planning to go to a 4-3, I'm not sure he's the right pick. Not to say he'd be a bad pick, and let him play as an end, I just don't like the idea, especially after the fail of Corey Williams. I think you ideally want large DE's who have experience playing end. That being said, outside of Eric Berry and Suh, I'm not sure who is a sure-fire impact player is in most of the mock drafts I've seen. It's definately difficult to great value in the top 5, and it hamstrings the front office when you're shelling out millions of dollars to unproven rookies every year.

every scouting service out there says Suh is an excellent fit for a 3-4 DE.

 

[LitlBuck]

No one really can talk about the Browns draft now without even knowing who our head coach is going to be. Maybe he would be a 4-3 guy which I would like. Also, the new HC or VP of Operations might think a running back would be more appropriate but I cannot believe that they would take Spiller with a top-five pick.

 

[NFBuck]

every scouting service out there says Suh is an excellent fit for a 3-4 DE.

I would be ecstatic if Suh ends up in Cleveland.

*tries to forget the memory of Courtney Brown*

 

[NFBuck]

No one really can talk about the Browns draft now without even knowing who our head coach is going to be. Maybe he would be a 4-3 guy which I would like. Also, the new HC or VP of Operations might think a running back would be more appropriate but I cannot believe that they would take Spiller with a top-five pick.

Barring a miracle, the Browns will be picking #1. I don't see them winning again, though KC may be winnable. Even if they beat KC, their probabably picking #3 at worst. If they're in a position to draft Suh, they need to do it. RB is a big need, but I don't see any homeruns in next years first round, and when that's the case, you're better off going RB in round 2 or 3. Plenty of RBs succeed who are drafted outside round one.

 

[billmac91]

every scouting service out there says Suh is an excellent fit for a 3-4 DE.

eh...he's a better 4-3 DT....he's a monster at 295 lbs with a huge motor. He'd be more productive and disruptive inside in a 4-3. I don't like the idea of drafting a hole plugger, which is what 3-4 DE's are. They create for OLB's, and take on blocks so others can clean up. If they took Suh, I'd want them to switch to a 4-3 just for him.

I agree he can be a good 3-4 DE. It'd just be the equivalent to Beanie playing in Arizona where they don't run. His touches are productive, but he could be used a lot more effectively. If you take a franchise guy at #1 or #2 like Suh, you should build around him, IMO.

 

[Merih]

He's a better 4-3 DT (who need to be athletic and disruptive) than a 3-4 space eater. I would hate it if anyone took Suh and made him balloon up to ridiculous weights. His mix of speed, athleticism, footwork, handwork, and football IQ should be used properly. The thought of someone as dominant as Suh being relegated to 350 pounds of sloppiness makes me sick.

 

[jlb1705]

eh...he's a better 4-3 DT....he's a monster at 295 lbs with a huge motor. He'd be more productive and disruptive inside in a 4-3. I don't like the idea of drafting a hole plugger, which is what 3-4 DE's are. They create for OLB's, and take on blocks so others can clean up. If they took Suh, I'd want them to switch to a 4-3 just for him.

I agree he can be a good 3-4 DE. It'd just be the equivalent to Beanie playing in Arizona where they don't run. His touches are productive, but he could be used a lot more effectively. If you take a franchise guy at #1 or #2 like Suh, you should build around him, IMO.

I'm all about the Browns switching to a 4-3. I think the 3-4 is garbage - especially the Browns' version of it. I know a lot of other teams are successful with it, but I've never been a fan.

How about Rogers & Suh side-by-side in a 4-3? :chompy:

 

[billmac91]

He's a better 4-3 DT (who need to be athletic and disruptive) than a 3-4 space eater. I would hate it if anyone took Suh and made him balloon up to ridiculous weights. His mix of speed, athleticism, footwork, handwork, and football IQ should be used properly. The thought of someone as dominant as Suh being relegated to 350 pounds of sloppiness makes me sick.

He wouldn't play nose tackle so you wouldn't have to worry about that. He would lose a lot of his play making ability in the scheme though. His assignment would be to eat blockers and free up LB's from a 3-4 DE standpoint. They'd want him around 300 lbs, his current weight.

I'd much rather see him in a 4-3 allowed to beat guards and come on stunts ike he currently does at Nebraska. It's rare to find DT's that can actually rush the passer. I think him and Shaun Rogers would actually help each other a lot too. You'd have to double Rogers most of the time, leaving Suh 1 on 1 which would be pretty entertaining I'd imagine.

 

[billmac91]

I'm all about the Browns switching to a 4-3. I think the 3-4 is garbage - especially the Browns' version of it. I know a lot of other teams are successful with it, but I've never been a fan.

How about Rogers & Suh side-by-side in a 4-3? :chompy:

I could easily get behind that. I like the pick regardless, b/c you know we're going to be getting a new coach in the next 2 years anyways. So even if Mangini drops the ball, hopefully the next guy figures it out.

Give me Suh.