Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[ulukinatme]

If Brady was the answer he would play, period. It has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the 70% of the snaps crap in his contract.

So, you're still buying the Mangenius line that 10.5 QB Rating Anderson gives them the best chance to win?

I'm not saying Brady's going to magically win those games for Cleveland, but obviously Anderson wasn't the answer. This offense still needs to be overhauled. The biggest offensive threat is the kick returner for pete's sake (Although he is one hell of a returner). Put Brady in after bye week, he won't get the money at that point. Put the best people available in and see if they can at least be competitive. When it's a consistent blowout you're losing ticket sales and other revenue.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Their next game is on Monday Night Football?

Yeesh, sorry for the rest of the country.

 

[Bucklion]

Their next game is on Monday Night Football?

Yeesh, sorry for the rest of the country.

Well we may not have to see it here...they say there is a very high probability the game will be blacked out locally

What a joke.

 

[Bleed S & G]

29/87, 320 yards, TD, 5 INTs, 33.3% COMP.

Just glad we've won a game.

 

[exhawg]

So, you're still buying the Mangenius line that 10.5 QB Rating Anderson gives them the best chance to win?

I'm not saying Brady's going to magically win those games for Cleveland, but obviously Anderson wasn't the answer. This offense still needs to be overhauled. The biggest offensive threat is the kick returner for pete's sake (Although he is one hell of a returner). Put Brady in after bye week, he won't get the money at that point. Put the best people available in and see if they can at least be competitive. When it's a consistent blowout you're losing ticket sales and other revenue.

I'm not a Brady fan, but putting him in against the Ravens won't be doing him any favors. I'd wait for the Lions.

 

[Bleed S & G]

So, you're still buying the Mangenius line that 10.5 QB Rating Anderson gives them the best chance to win?

No I don't buy that line at all.

But don't think that the Browns are benching the next Tom Brady because they don't want to pay him. If BQ was the future, he'd be playing, regaurdless of the cost. The Browns would gladly pay a real NFL QB - however, we don't have one on this roster.

DA's 10.5 QB rating speaks volumes about how good BQ is. More reason for me to hate Charlie Weis.

 

[NFBuck]

One more thing to point out after reading a lot of headlines today is that the fact there was even talk of firing a coach at the bye week midway through a single season shows what a horse abortion of an organization this is right now and what an epic failure Mangini has been after 8 games. Right now he makes Gerry Faust look like Amos Alonzo fucking Stagg, and I don't blame people for being pissed about it.

The QB situation is a year old hippopotamus placenta, and it has been handled as badly as I ever seen a team managed in 30 years of following pro football. Anderson's numbers in the month (that's 1/4 of a season if you're keeping score at home) after the Cincinnati game, because, you know, he gives them "The best chance to win":

2/17, 23 yds, INT, 11.8% COMP
9/24, 122 yds, TD, INT 37.5% COMP
12/29, 99 yds, INT, 41.4% COMP
6/17, 76 yds, 2 INTs, 35.3% COMP

That's a beauteous 29/87, 320 yards, TD, 5 INTs, 33.3% COMP. That's not pro football, that fucking New Mexico State. That's Ryan Leaf playing 4 games against the 85 Bears. Seriously...320 yards passing...in a MONTH??? Those numbers don't, of course, add in the sacks, fumbles, and gazelle-like freeze reflex (and anti-gazelle-like scrambling) Anderson has managed to display with frightening consistency either.

And this guy isn't just sucking up a roster spot, he's the STARTING FUCKING QUARTERBACK. Good God, what a disaster.

Like I said yesterday, I defy anybody to show me a worse staring QB in modern NFL history. Dumb luck should get you a 40-45% completion rate and 140-150 YPC. This hack can barely complete 1/3 and is averaging 80 yards per game? Serious question, why not give Ratliff a chance? It's not like he could do any worse. What a fucking disaster. These jokers make last years scUM team look compitent. They should release DA right now and sue him for fraud.

 

[Bucklion]

Like I said yesterday, I defy anybody to show me a worse staring QB in modern NFL history. Dumb luck should get you a 40-45% completion rate and 140-150 YPC. This hack can barely complete 1/3 and is averaging 80 yards per game? Serious question, why not give Ratliff a chance? It's not like he could do any worse. What a fucking disaster. These jokers make last years scUM team look compitent. They should release DA right now and sue him for fraud.

Even Spurrier on the 76 Bucs was WAY better than that.

It's funny...if you look at a single game, the list of QBs who have put up a zero rating in a single game is incredible...Otto Graham, John Brodie, John Hadl, Jack Kemp, Bob Griese, Johnny Unitas (against Cleveland, no less), Billy Kilmer, Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw (3 times), Joe Namath, Craig Morton, Warren Moon (twice)...yet those guys all managed to have pretty good careers. This is well beyond a game or two with Anderson. I agree, give Ratliff a chance.

 

[schwab]

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2/17, 23 yds, INT, 11.8% COMP
9/24, 122 yds, TD, INT 37.5% COMP
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Cannot/will not disagree with any of the post, but this 11/41 included 15 dropped passes. 26/41 looks much better for DA's sake.

 

[Bucklion]

Cannot/will not disagree with any of the post, but this 11/41 included 15 dropped passes. 26/41 looks much better for DA's sake.

True, and duly noted, he hasn't had a whole lot of help at times (Robert Toaster Gloves Royal comes to mind). That said, as the QB you have to learn where to put the ball where guys want it, how to throw shorter passes with less velocity, etc., and I have seen none of that from him. Guys have dropped balls like dumbfucks, but I've also seen him keep putting the ball in the same place time after time regardless. If Jamal drops a ball low, his next 3 are still at his ankles. Just can't have that.

 

[LitlBuck]

Cannot/will not disagree with any of the post, but this 11/41 included 15 dropped passes. 26/41 looks much better for DA's sake.

I might give you 7.5 of those dropped passes but I can't really call a pass dropped if the QB is only about 10 yards from his receiver and throws the ball 100 mph and the receiver touches it with one hand. That is not a dropped pass IMO

 

[jlb1705]

For as bad as Derek Anderson is, what does everyone think the Browns record would be with Quinn or Ratliff in there? I think it'd be the same.

I'm all about not paying bonuses to a QB that checks down on every damn play and wouldn't actually win any football games on this dreadful team.

 

[Bucklion]

For as bad as Derek Anderson is, what does everyone think the Browns record would be with Quinn or Ratliff in there? I think it'd be the same.

I'm all about not paying bonuses to a QB that checks down on every damn play and wouldn't actually win any football games on this dreadful team.

Oh I agree, I'm just saying get him 7 or 8 starts once his bonus has passed and see what he can do. And I disagree with only sending him out there against Detroit...put him the fuck in there against the Ravens. If all he does is play against Detroit, Kansas City, Oakland and Jacksonville, then we still won't know what the fuck he can do against a real team, and we'll be right back where we started.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh I agree, I'm just saying get him 7 or 8 starts once his bonus has passed and see what he can do. And I disagree with only sending him out there against Detroit...put him the [censored] in there against the Ravens. If all he does is play against Detroit, Kansas City, Oakland and Jacksonville, then we still won't know what the [censored] he can do against a real team, and we'll be right back where we started.

Good point, just put him out there after the clause isn't in effect. We know what we have with Anderson. We've seen Quinn play 2 full games, and before last week those teams were both undefeated. Let him play after the bonus expires, Brady is better, put the best guy in that you have. Quinn may not win anymore games than Anderson, but he's the best they have, at least put your best in and try to keep it competitive.

C'mon, most Cleveland fans give up on a QB at least after a full season. Quinn could take more chances downfield, but his receivers have to get open too and not drop as many. I watched him for four years, he can throw deep passes, he broke every passing record at ND. He also had receivers and TEs that could catch though.

 

[Bucklion]

Good point, just put him out there after the clause isn't in effect. We know what we have with Anderson. We've seen Quinn play 2 full games, and before last week those teams were both undefeated. Let him play after the bonus expires, Brady is better, put the best guy in that you have. Quinn may not win anymore games than Anderson, but he's the best they have, at least put your best in and try to keep it competitive.

C'mon, most Cleveland fans give up on a QB at least after a full season. Quinn could take more chances downfield, but his receivers have to get open too and not drop as many. I watched him for four years, he can throw deep passes, he broke every passing record at ND. He also had receivers and TEs that could catch though.

Well let's not kid ourselves either...he was hanging onto the ball as long as he used to at ND when he used to float those pretty spirals against Stanford...you don't have that much time in the NFL to throw, ever, no matter who you're playing. If he can't get rid of the ball faster or do something besides noodle-dick a pass 3 yards to the FB (or to Robert Royal for a tip drill with himself) then he won't be of any value either. I want to see if he's learned from his crapdom the first 10 quarters...what better team to do that against than the team that cost him his job...Baltimore, in week 9. I want to see him play...if he still sucks, he still sucks. But we KNOW Anderson still sucks.