Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

[muffler dragon]

Proof once again that Browns' fans do not want to give their quarterbacks a chance to succeed.

All I see with DA is past memories of Kelly Holcomb, Tommy Maddox, and any other second stringer that comes in and does well because the opposition didn't game plan for them.

DA could go out there and lead the Browns to a touchdown on his first drive, and the fans will be booing the next 3-and-out possession.

Or he could go out and be a dud like he was after the KC game.

 

[afgolfer]

Anderson only saw his first action in the cold against Kansas City last year. What do you mean he's had several chances to succeed? He's only a second-year player.

I sure hope the fans give Quinn more than 5 starts to succeed - BUT I doubt it.

Andeson has been in the league three years and frye was in 2, i dont see how either has had a chance to succeed, If you think last season was a chance for Frye to succeed then I feel bad for all cleveland QB's. If teams released QB's because they werent pro bowlers after there rookie season we wouldnt have too many starting QB's in the league.

I think Frey's problem was he was looking over his shoulder afraid to make a mistake as have exactly what happened to him happen. IMO, Crennel was looking for a scape goat trying to hold onto his job. Who did frey have around him last year to give him a chance to succeed? A RB? WR? TE? OL? The defense was OK, but he really didnt have offensive personal around him to succeed. Does that mean he would have ? No, but I think it sets a poor precident and expectations. I am waiting for the Boo's the first time BQ makes a mistake. i can hear them already, however sad that may be

 

[afgolfer]

All I see with DA is past memories of Kelly Holcomb, Tommy Maddox, and any other second stringer that comes in and does well because the opposition didn't game plan for them.

Bingo

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

For many many years, I always heard that one of the best NFL QBs that never was.... was due to being part of bad teams... he endured a career of shitty teams.. He was one of the finest college QBs ever..

In his first 5 years, he threw 47 TDs and was intercepted 78 times.. he also was sacked 186 times (an avg of over 37 per year)... 42/yr first two years.. and those weren't 16 game seasons...

I keep thinking of Archie Manning when I think of Frye and Couch...
not that they were as good as Archie.. but similar situations...
they just got beat to death... they never got the 7-8 seconds of protection Brady got the other night...

I still have hope for this line... but it sure hasn't shown up yet...

Until you have a line... NO QB will ever be worth a shit...

 

[OH10]

All I see with DA is past memories of Kelly Holcomb, Tommy Maddox, and any other second stringer that comes in and does well because the opposition didn't game plan for them.

I don't see how the gameplan is really all that different for Frye, Anderson or Quinn. We're not talking about the difference between Drew Bledsoe and Michael Vick here. Besides, with the Browns, the gameplan is always 'dominate the offensive line, frustrate the quarterback.' And that will continue to be the gameplan all year long, regardless of who is back there.

Or he could go out and be a dud like he was after the KC game.

All I ask is that the fans give him more than one or two series before declaring him a 'dud' and booing him off the field.

BUT, BUT, BUT .... I seriously doubt that will happen.

 

[tsteele316]

I don't see how the gameplan is really all that different for Frye, Anderson or Quinn. We're not talking about the difference between Drew Bledsoe and Michael Vick here. Besides, with the Browns, the gameplan is always 'dominate the offensive line, frustrate the quarterback.' And that will continue to be the gameplan all year long, regardless of who is back there.




All I ask is that the fans give him more than one or two series before declaring him a 'dud' and booing him off the field.

BUT, BUT, BUT .... I seriously doubt that will happen.

frye has had 20 starts to show even the most remote glimmer of ability, and he has not. you can't argue it. the talent around him has improved, and he has not, in fact he may have even regressed.

and the gameplan is different for DA in that he will at least get the ball out, and attempt to throw downfield, however unsuccessful he may be.

i would simply like to point out one example:

david carr has gotten his taint handed to him for years with the Texans. He's out, and Schaub is in, with basically the same other 10 guys. Shaub gets the ball out, Carr does not, the Texans put up points.

 

[muffler dragon]

I don't see how the gameplan is really all that different for Frye, Anderson or Quinn. We're not talking about the difference between Drew Bledsoe and Michael Vick here. Besides, with the Browns, the gameplan is always 'dominate the offensive line, frustrate the quarterback.' And that will continue to be the gameplan all year long, regardless of who is back there.

This situation (Frye and Anderson) is no different than the Couch and Holcomb situation IMHO.

All I ask is that the fans give him more than one or two series before declaring him a 'dud' and booing him off the field.

BUT, BUT, BUT .... I seriously doubt that will happen.

I didn't declare him a "dud", I said it was possible. Ultimately, I hope that Anderson floats long enough to let Brady learn some more before getting action. I just don't anticipate it happening. He doesn't have enough between the ears to last long.

 

[LitlBuck]

I still have hope for this line... but it sure hasn't shown up yet...

Until you have a line... NO QB will ever be worth a shit...

I think you should give the Browns offensive line more than one game before you judge them. Steinbach missed the entire exhibition season and Schaffer only played two games and he is really not the starting RT. You just don't play one NFL game as an offensive line and say it has jelled. It takes the guys a little while to come together as a unit.

 

[Bleed S & G]

I still have hope for this line... but it sure hasn't shown up yet...

Until you have a line... NO QB will ever be worth a shit...

what, after one game? give it some time, last week was also against one of the better d's in the league. you got a few guys who didn't play much in preseason and a rookie.

BUT, there was more than one occasion when frye had all the time in the world sunday, and still didn't deliever

chance for Frye to succeed

I think Frey's problem was

who's this frey guy?? should the browns sign him? :tongue2:

 

[OH10]

frye has had 20 starts to show even the most remote glimmer of ability, and he has not. you can't argue it. the talent around him has improved, and he has not, in fact he may have even regressed.

No one here disputes whether Frye was the long-term solution. He was never going to be after last season. With Charlie, his job this year was to hold down the fort for at least half the season until Brady gets the playbook down and the offensive line has time to gel. The fans didn't get it, didn't want to get it, and still tragically believe this team could win RIGHT NOW with Brady Quinn back there.

and the gameplan is different for DA in that he will at least get the ball out, and attempt to throw downfield, however unsuccessful he may be.

Are you then backing off your statement that DA has been given every chance to succeed?

i would simply like to point out one example:

david carr has gotten his taint handed to him for years with the Texans. He's out, and Schaub is in, with basically the same other 10 guys. Shaub gets the ball out, Carr does not, the Texans put up points.

Sounds like another "knee-jerk" reaction to me. Maybe Schaub is that good, but one game is not enough of a barometer. (See Holcomb playoff game vs. Steelers)

This situation (Frye and Anderson) is no different than the Couch and Holcomb situation IMHO.

Sadly, you are correct. Once the fans in Cleveland decide they are done with you (Couch and Frye), you become the most hated man in town. No doubt in my mind that had Frye broken his neck on Sunday, those idiot fans would have cheered.

And again, unless Anderson turns it on, he's just holding it down for Quinn until he learns the playbook and the offensive line has time to get better as a unit. That's the gameplan. All I ask is that the fans give Anderson a chance to do his fucking job before they run his ass off the field.

I think you should give the Browns offensive line more than one game before you judge them. Steinbach missed the entire exhibition season and Schaffer only played two games and he is really not the starting RT. You just don't play one NFL game as an offensive line and say it has jelled. It takes the guys a little while to come together as a unit.

They'll need a few games before I'm ready to put the so-called future of the franchise (Quinn) behind them.

 

[muffler dragon]

Sadly, you are correct. Once the fans in Cleveland decide they are done with you (Couch and Frye), you become the most hated man in town. No doubt in my mind that had Frye broken his neck on Sunday, those idiot fans would have cheered.

I imagine that you are correct. I don't get to watch the game out here in OR. But from what my dad was telling me, the stands were virtually empty by the third-to-fourth quarter. With that amount of apathy and disgust, the entire team could have been killed and there'd probably still be people mad.

And again, unless Anderson turns it on, he's just holding it down for Quinn until he learns the playbook and the offensive line has time to get better as a unit. That's the gameplan. All I ask is that the fans give Anderson a chance to do his fucking job before they run his ass off the field.

I completely understand where you're coming from. It's been an interesting thing for me being out here where Derek played college ball. There have been so many Bull Durham comments about him that it almost isn't funny anymore. All I know is that I imagine that the pro game is VERY intellectual. If he doesn't have it upstairs; then it's just a slow death. I hope (I sincerely do) that he can play and make the offense competitive. From what I read about the preseason, it sounds like Frye and Anderson were the Brothers Grimm when it came to playing against opposing first team defenses. One has abilities that the other doesn't, but that doesn't give me much anticipation of success.

They'll need a few games before I'm ready to put the so-called future of the franchise (Quinn) behind them.

I agree.

What's become interesting for me is visiting the ClevelandBrowns.com board, which I've been doing for a few years. Every year it's the same ol' thing: anticipation of erasing past mistakes and finding success while the media and everyone else disparages the team. I find it sad that the hope of the city has never been realized.

Maybe it will someday. Maybe it will with Derek, maybe with Brady. But the odds seem to get smaller all the time that it's actually ever going to even be a possibility.

 

[NFBuck]

Just a reality check. If I remember correctly, didn't Anderson have a pretty shitty TD/INT ratio in college? Though his decision making may be better by default, I don't expect a vast improvement.

 

[muffler dragon]

Just a reality check. If I remember correctly, didn't Anderson have a pretty shitty TD/INT ratio in college? Though his decision making may be better by default, I don't expect a vast improvement.

Here's what I was able to google:

Derek Anderson college statistics - pro-football-reference.com

Year Team | G | CMP ATT PYD TD IN | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
2001 OregonState | 5 | 17 41 263 1 3 | 5 -25 | ||
2002 OregonState | 13 | 211 449 3313 25 13 | 45 -231 2 | ||
2003 OregonState | 13 | 261 510 4058 24 24 | 57 -125 4 | ||
2004 OregonState | 12 | 279 515 3615 29 17 | 75 -152 2 |

Overall ratio: 79 TD to 57 INT.

 

[billmac91]

On the right team, Derrick Anderson could be a playoff QB......not saying he's that good, but take last weeks game for example....as much time as Rothlesberger got in the pocket, you don't think Anderson is capable of making those throws?

This team SUCKS....and we're at least 3 years away...i could post a 3 paragraph breakdown of the players we need, but its a waste of time b/c it seems like 90% of Browns fans are so short-sighted....truthfully, Anderson played pretty damn well against Pitt last week...say what u want about some of the mis-throws, but he hit his back foot and got rid of the ball in a hurry....its difficult to be accurate when you expect to be blind-sided every play..not to mention he was probably thowing to spots rather than locating his receivers b/c I doubt he felt he had time to do that

Give the dude some time, and he could be decent...as good as Quinn, prob not...but the suckiness of this team shouldn't be attributed to the QB play LIIKE IT WILL once we lose to Cincy

 

[billmac91]

it appears on Browns talk on STO, all they wqant to talk about is Chad Johnson saying he will jump into the DAWG POUND, if he's to score on Sunday

Ummmmm......if Mary Kay and Mike whatever his name is, can't figure out the set-up on this, that's pretty embarrassing

I think it's embarrassing already that every caller has said what a bad idea it is for Chad to jump into the DAWG POUND

Are Clevelanders and in general, people, that dumb to not realize this is a set-up for confetti or any other prank he wants to play?

Again, embarrassing the enrtire show has been devoted to Chad and that every caller they took had a reason he shouldn't jump in