Christianity and Football(Split from 2009 Tidbits)

[Taosman]

I'm curious to hear the response on Jenkins. I don't know them personally, but Malcolm and Marcus strike me as very different personalities who hail under the same banner.

If there's a tougher, more fiery leader in CFB than Tebow, it's not by much. Tebow's religion defines him, but I think he'd still be a great player if he were raised a buddhist or agnostic.

Tebow owes everything to God! Yea! We get that.
God and genetics and desire to win.

 

[stxbuck]

I really don't think one's Christianity affects one underlying personality-Tebow and Jenkins are firery on the field, Freeman not so much-also less of a hitter.
That said, anytime I see an athlete w/ a child out of wedlock start spouting off about their Christianity-especially about the need for others to embrace it-that annoys me highly. God forgives sin, but I don't need an example of that forgiveness preaching to me.

 

[heisman]

That said, anytime I see an athlete w/ a child out of wedlock start spouting off about their Christianity-especially about the need for others to embrace it-that annoys me highly. God forgives sin, but I don't need an example of that forgiveness preaching to me.

So, why didn't you just say you don't need anyone preaching to you then? What does the example of the one sin you reference have anything to do with it? We are all sinners and all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord.

(Look at my agnostic ass preaching the word!)

 

[BUCKYLE]

There are no atheists in foxholes?

 

[Gatorubet]

There are no atheists in foxholes?

I'd be saying, "Oh God, Oh God!!"

 

[BUCKYLE]

I'd be saying, "Oh God, Oh God!!"

I may be on my knees...but I wouldn't be praying.

 

[ScriptOhio]

John 3:16 -- Latest Bible Verse to Be Featured On Tim Tebow's Eye Black

It's no secret that Tim Tebow is passionate about expressing his Christian faith. In fact, he's so passionate that he's used eye-black markings this season as a way to share the scripture with others. During the BCS championship game, it was time for John 3:16:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ? John 3:16
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Entire artice: NCAAFB FanHouse

Rollen Stewart, a.k.a. the Rainbow Man or Rock 'n' Rollen, was labeled a wacko 20 years ago for espousing Biblical messages by carrying signs at sporting events, but few said anything last week when Tim Tebow scribbled one onto his eye black. . . .

 

[Mac]

It's no secret that Tim Tebow is passionate about expressing his Christian faith. In fact, he's so passionate that he's used eye-black markings this season as a way to share the scripture with others. During the BCS championship game, it was time for John 3:16:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ? John 3:16
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Entire artice: NCAAFB FanHouse

Rollen Stewart, a.k.a. the Rainbow Man or Rock 'n' Rollen, was labeled a wacko 20 years ago for espousing Biblical messages by carrying signs at sporting events, but few said anything last week when Tim Tebow scribbled one onto his eye black. . . .

Not sure where you are going with this other than making a point that not many people made a fuss over Tebow's eyeblack. I see nothing wrong with expressing your religious beliefs. That's why we have a freedom of speech/exercise of religion amendment and the 1st one at that. It annoys the crap out of me when someone starts cracking jokes at Tebow for being so outspoken about him and his religion.

 

[Buckeye86]

Not sure where you are going with this other than making a point that not many people made a fuss over Tebow's eyeblack. I see nothing wrong with expressing your religious beliefs. That's why we have a freedom of speech/exercise of religion amendment and the 1st one at that. It annoys the crap out of me when someone starts cracking jokes at Tebow for being so outspoken about him and his religion.

The only problem I can see with it would depend on the purpose of the eye black messages. If Tebow is genuinely trying to convert nonbelievers and extoll the virtues of Christianity through eye black messages in a sincere and humble manner, more power to him. The problem with that, of course, is that putting biblical verses on your eye black seems like a pretty silly/ineffective way to extoll the virtues of your religious beliefs. So in my opinion, it falls into the category of flaunting your religion, which is what people have problems with.

 

[Mac]

The only problem I can see with it would depend on the purpose of the eye black messages. If Tebow is genuinely trying to convert nonbelievers and extoll the virtues of Christianity through eye black messages in a sincere and humble manner, more power to him. The problem with that, of course, is that putting biblical verses on your eye black seems like a pretty silly/ineffective way to extoll the virtues of your religious beliefs. So in my opinion, it falls into the category of flaunting your religion, which is what people have problems with.

How is it flaunting for putting biblical messages on his eye black to try and spread the word? It's the same thing as if I were to go up to someone and talk to them about the bible, it's just in a different method and to a larger group of people. If people don't like it, then don't pay attention to it. It's that easy.

 

[Gatorubet]

How is it flaunting for putting biblical messages on his eye black to try and spread the word? It's the same thing as if I were to go up to someone and talk to them about the bible, it's just in a different method and to a larger group of people. If people don't like it, then don't pay attention to it. It's that easy.

Actually, I think it is even less of a thing. If I saw a verse citation on an eye black band-aid, it would be less intrusive than being stopped by someone proselytizing.

I have no problem with it. If a public school handed them out to kids on the team, I would have a problem, but an individual making his own statement, that it fine and a non-issue. Honestly, if that is all you got to dislike him, then you just have decided to dislike him. Nothing wrong with that of course, but the reason given for it does not hold water, IMO.

 

[Buckeye86]

It's the same thing as if I were to go up to someone and talk to them about the bible, it's just in a different method and to a larger group of people.

If you attempted to talk to someone about the bible, and they politely said that they would prefer that you not talk to them about it, presumably you would respect that and not continue to have the conversation with them.

Some people do not want religion mixed in with their college football, but they are not given the option to politely ask Tebow to remove his eye black. It may be a minor point, but I believe it is a valid one.

About the flaunting. I guess it depends on your perspective. If you believe that wearing eye black is a good way to spread a religious message, than I guess it is perfectly valid. You seem to be in this camp. I personally do not view eye black as equivalent to holding a face to face conversation with someone about religion and I don't consider it (eye black) a very affective way to spread one's religious views.

Wearing biblical verses on your face seems to me to be more of a "look at me, I'm a Christian" message rather than a "read the bible, it's a good book that can help you lead a better life" message. For this reason, I view the wearing of eye black as more of a flaunting gesture rather than a legitimate expression of one's religion.

To each his own though. I personally don't care what people wear on their face during football games or at any other time.

 

[Taosman]

I agree that there were chemistry issues. I don't buy that they would change if Laurinaitis & Freeman were atheists.

I think religion is a convenient target because it is stereotyped as gentle.[/quote]

Just ridiculous. No one believes Christian athletes are "soft". Not trying to "crucify" you here, Josh. But your way off on this. Stop the whole "Christian Martyr syndrome" schtick. :tongue2:

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

About the flaunting. I guess it depends on your perspective. If you believe that wearing eye black is a good way to spread a religious message, than I guess it is perfectly valid. You seem to be in this camp. I personally do not view eye black as equivalent to holding a face to face conversation with someone about religion and I don't consider it (eye black) a very affective way to spread one's religious views.

Wearing biblical verses on your face seems to me to be more of a "look at me, I'm a Christian" message rather than a "read the bible, it's a good book that can help you lead a better life" message. For this reason, I view the wearing of eye black as more of a flaunting gesture rather than a legitimate expression of one's religion.

To each his own though. I personally don't care what people wear on their face during football games or at any other time.

I pretty much agree. It strikes me as a rather silly way of showing one's faith.

 

[OCBuckWife]

If you attempted to talk to someone about the bible, and they politely said that they would prefer that you not talk to them about it, presumably you would respect that and not continue to have the conversation with them.

I WISH! Some do this, most, in my experience, DON'T.