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Christianity and Football(Split from 2009 Tidbits)

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Folanator;1381544; said:
Maybe it's just me, but I am looking forward to seeing 85 pissed off young men looking to tear the heads off the other team as opposed to being saved as the top priority...
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Yeah, because being Christians made Lauranitis and Freeman so soft, and keeps McCoy and Tebow from being strong team leaders. :roll1:
 
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BrutusBobcat;1381982; said:
Yeah, because being Christians made Lauranitis and Freeman so soft, and keeps McCoy and Tebow from being strong team leaders. :roll1:
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I think Fols meant saving themselves (not playing all out to avoid getting hurt) for the NFL draft vice dedicating themselves to a religion...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1381986; said:
I think Fols meant saving themselves (not playing all out to avoid getting hurt) for the NFL draft vice dedicating themselves to a religion...
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That is a confusing sentence, but as far as Laurinaitis, I'd say he raised his game this season and was arguably more aggressive/tenacious than season's past.

Jenkins is one of "those" as well.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1381986; said:
I think Fols meant saving themselves (not playing all out to avoid getting hurt) for the NFL draft vice dedicating themselves to a religion...
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Actually I meant what I said and stand by it. Not saying that our leadership were not fine young men, they were tremendous. I am just saying that my guess is that it made for a wierd dynamic in the locker room and might have detracted from the FOOTBALL potential of the team.

Nothing wrong with religion, but it does tend to cause tension and emotion. Just look at the way that people react to my simple post.

Again, not saying that these kids aren't great, I am just not convinced that the chemistry lead to performance on the field.

But I have been full of shit before.
 
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So again, that commentary is for Jenkins as well?

Did the chemistry on the defense get better after USC, or did the DL step it up?
I am just saying that my guess is that it made for a wierd dynamic in the locker room and might have detracted from the FOOTBALL potential of the team.
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Guys not doing their job or replacements who were perceived to not be as capable had more of an effect, imo, than someone's theological beliefs.

I agree that there were chemistry issues. I don't buy that they would change if Laurinaitis & Freeman were atheists.

I think religion is a convenient target because it is stereotyped as gentle.
 
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jwinslow;1382191; said:
So again, that commentary is for Jenkins as well?

Guys not doing their job or replacements who were perceived to not be as capable had more of an effect, imo, than someone's theological beliefs.

I agree that there were chemistry issues. I don't buy that they would change if Laurinaitis & Freeman were atheists.

I think religion is a convenient target because it is stereotyped as gentle.
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+1
 
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I'm curious to hear the response on Jenkins. I don't know them personally, but Malcolm and Marcus strike me as very different personalities who hail under the same banner.

If there's a tougher, more fiery leader in CFB than Tebow, it's not by much. Tebow's religion defines him, but I think he'd still be a great player if he were raised a buddhist or agnostic.
 
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Folanator said:
Actually I meant what I said and stand by it. Not saying that our leadership were not fine young men, they were tremendous. I am just saying that my guess is that it made for a wierd dynamic in the locker room and might have detracted from the FOOTBALL potential of the team.

Nothing wrong with religion, but it does tend to cause tension and emotion. Just look at the way that people react to my hate.
(FIFY)
Again, not saying that these kids aren't great, I am just not convinced that the chemistry lead to performance on the field.

But I have been full of [censored] before.
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Yes, and you are, once again.

:osu:
 
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Nothing wrong with religion, but it does tend to cause tension and emotion. Just look at the way that people react to my hate.
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Your simple edit could not have made Folanator's point more forcefully.

That said, any further exploration of this tangent belongs in the political forum.
 
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jwinslow;1382191; said:
So again, that commentary is for Jenkins as well?

Did the chemistry on the defense get better after USC, or did the DL step it up?
Guys not doing their job or replacements who were perceived to not be as capable had more of an effect, imo, than someone's theological beliefs.

I agree that there were chemistry issues. I don't buy that they would change if Laurinaitis & Freeman were atheists.

I think religion is a convenient target because it is stereotyped as gentle.
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JWins, this is not a question that can be answered now. We will know by the end of next year. Or, maybe never.

You guys have played on teams before. You all know that chemistry is a wierd thing. Some teams click, others dont.

I have no inside knowlege as to why this team never seemed to bond as a unit, just a hunch.

But you look at Boone, Hatline whoever, there were some kids that were on the fringe of the team. THAT particular issue is the 800lb gorilla in the room. Good or bad depends on your POV, but everyone has an opinion.

The only thing I think we can say is that there never a real closeness or all for one attitude that teams (without superior talent) need to win.

But then again, I could be full of shit.

Oh8ch: that is not fair to say that I hate on those kids. I repect the heck out of them. That is your filters at work.
 
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